when do you become human? and when do we quit being Human?

when do you become human?
when do we quit being Human?
the question of abortion

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[alphaojeda11]

Is it fair to a child that his parents never loved him because they didn't want him and they ignore him completely because they thought of abortioning him and last minute they didn't. To live a sad and miserable life without the love of his parents and their guidance? Or it it better to think about abortion and spare him all the pain and suffering he is going to face in life?

[roevswade]

alphaojeda11, thank you for your comment, just a thought that I have here. Does value of your personhood hinge on your parents love for you? Don't you think that the saddest form of child abuse is dismemberment and death of the child? Killing the child is the most unfair act here i would say

[scionlightning]

The answer isn't whether a person is human or not, it's whether they have consuious thought.

Consiousness is dervied from three things.

1. An ability to develop and learn over time.

2. To adapt to their surroundings.

3. Fear of Death.

If anyone can prove without so much as a doubt that a featus or an early birth can show those three factors? If so, then I would love to see it.

[roevswade]

scionligtning,Does human life began at conception like the human embryologists scientific say it does?

Or are you going on your own philosophy of life according to philosophers, bioethicists, theologians, politicians, movie stars CNN etc..

sorry you're not being scientific, you're being mislead by the pied pipers of airways..

[SwordSworn147]

Anyone else see how irrational this argument is?

[AngrySkeptic]

My perspective is that there is not a human being until very late in the pregnancy. Abortion should be completely unrestricted to the point of viability. This was the theological position of the church and common law position for millennia.

I was simply pointing out that everyone, even people who claim to see a zygote as the equivalent to a human being, don't in practice see them as the same.

The concept of ensoulment at conception is a RECENT invention of theologians. It has no basis.

[leiapeison]

@scionlightning they dont get it. you cant give rights to a fetus and keep the woman's well being intact. they remove the woman from the equation because they have to. otherwise they would have to admit that what they are doing is causing untold harm to women's lives and futures by forcing them to have children they dont want

[leiapeison]

roevswade:" sperm and ovum cannot stand alone"

neither can an embryo. one inalienable right is bodily sovereingty. the right to control what happens to ones body. there is no more intimate experience than pregnancy. it MUST be consensual just as any sexual experience must be. a hurt born person can be taken care of by ANYBODY. it is living invasively inside someone. no one can force me to share the intimacy of my own body with them, including the unborn.

[prolifeinternational]

Angry Re "You won't find many people who advocate third... late second trimester abortions" Are you kidding?.. Check out the laws in say Canada..There aren`t any!..Abortion there is totally unregulated.. In some USA States abortion is also permissible at ANYTIME during the 40 weeks of pregnancy.. Here in UK it can be up to birth for certain suspected abnormalities.. Even for healthy babies beyond the legal 24 week cut off,abortion clinics in UK re-direct to places in Europe where shit happens!

[prolifeinternational]

Angry Look back,it was you that first spoke of late term and viability,so how on earth did I move the goal posts?!..Again,why do you adopt the perspective that there is not a human until very late in pregnancy? When exactly,in terms of gestational weeks,do you mean by "very late"?

[AngrySkeptic]

You are moving the goalposts.

We began the discussion talking about conception as the beginning of personhood. Now you are talking about much further in the process.

You won't find many people who advocate third trimester and late second trimester abortions.

That's not what we are talking about. You are advocating banning abortions and common contraceptives like the morning after pill and IUDs.

This is an obvious invasion of privacy. What does it accomplish? Not a thing.

[prolifeinternational]

Angr Re "My perspective is that there is not a human being until very late in the pregnancy." Why do you adopt this perspective?Pregnancy is 40 weeks and children born prematurely from around 20 weeks have survived. In fact there would be a lot more survivors from that gestational age if their lungs were more fully developed ..and the ones that are still alive after abortion attempts instinctively try hard to breathe.They WANT to live..pontifications regarding ensoulment are irrelevant to them!

[prolifeinternational]

Angry. Re "With your logic,scratching your nose is the equivalent of genocide." Don`t be ridiculous! It is YOU,not me,that says

any cell is a potential human being. I`ve yet to meet a clone(if that`s what you`re refering to)how many have you met,do they or the technology to make them even really exist? I`ve not ever heard of "zygote recovery funding" does this have an officially recognised basis or is it merely your own invention? I told you my perspective here,but you haven`t mentioned yours.

[AngrySkeptic]

A zygote is a potential human being, not a person that has legal or moral standing. With our current technologies, any human cell is a potential human being. With your logic, scratching your nose is the equivalent of genocide.

You are claiming that zygote loss can't be remedied yet have you have made no effort to fight for zygote recovery funding. If each instance of conception is equal, we may be able to save more human lives by preventing zygote loss than by curing cancer.