@leemz2002 There is no comparison to the LCAC. Payload is clearly reduced by dock space and it is clear by performance it is not as powerful. If it can't get a large load to the beach, it isn't a practical machine.
@leemz2002 It is the size of an LCAC but its engines take up all the deck space so its payload is eaten before you put anything on it. It might even take a 40t PLA tank but its utility is minimal. Carrying one tank or a couple jeeps is not effective which is why this is just a prototype. China needs smaller powerplants before this design is applicable.
@leemz2002 Wrong, it can hold one car now, remove the shelter, which is a waterproof housing for equipment and it could carry one truck. It can't carry shit to make it an effective LCAC. That is why China is buying Zubr from Ukraine.
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whitneyhouhou 1 month ago
@stalkingalizee
071船坞登陆舰已经在造第三艘了。与之配套的726型气垫船不可能沒有投产。当然,产量可能不会象022导弹艇那样上百,但造个十几、二十几艘应该问题不大。因为071这一个型号的船塢登陆舰就要造6艘,与之配套的726气垫船至少需要24艘。而且还有后继舰呢。
如果沒有投产,不会万里迢迢地送到印度洋去执行反海盗任务。因为沒有定型的样机通常不会离开实验和维护条件。否则万里迢迢,在印度洋出什么事,洋相可就出大了。敢开出去执行几个月的任务,就说明是正式定型的产品。
我认为726的这个大小刚好Zubr的尺寸显得稍微大了一些。三辆坦克都放到一艘气垫船上,风险太集中了。万一半路被击沉或者出了故障,一整个陆战队营就失去了坦克支援了。
leemz2002 6 months ago
@leemz2002 There is no comparison to the LCAC. Payload is clearly reduced by dock space and it is clear by performance it is not as powerful. If it can't get a large load to the beach, it isn't a practical machine.
stalkingalizee 6 months ago
@stalkingalizee
726型气垫船的发动机体积并不大,和美国LCAC-1上的TF-40差不多。鼓风机和推力风扇的尺寸也差不多。但气垫船甲板下面就是气室,隔着一层空气就是海水。气垫船的结构就像一个很浅的盘子,上面左右各放了一排动力系统(从前面往后数为燃气涡轮发动机、气垫鼓风机、变速箱和推力风扇)。所以这些东西只能放在甲板上。美国的LCAC-1也是这样布局的。
726型基本上就是参考了美国LCAC-1,只不过主要系统都立足国内。由于国内的燃气轮机还欠点火候,所以726的最大载重量比LCAC-1稍微小一点。不过中国的主战坦克本来就比美国的M1系列轻一些,问题不大。而且跨海作战要载的多半是96式等稍微轻一些的主战坦克(因为对岸的确没有什么值得上99的目标)。大概除了一辆96式坦克,还能载一个步兵排,甚至少量的轻型车辆。一艘071船坞登陆舰可以载四艘726,应付一般的登陆任务已经足够了。
leemz2002 6 months ago
@leemz2002 It is the size of an LCAC but its engines take up all the deck space so its payload is eaten before you put anything on it. It might even take a 40t PLA tank but its utility is minimal. Carrying one tank or a couple jeeps is not effective which is why this is just a prototype. China needs smaller powerplants before this design is applicable.
stalkingalizee 6 months ago
@stalkingalizee
乌克兰的Зубр比这个国产726型气垫船要大得多。前者自重550吨,光载重量就一百多吨,快赶上726型艇的全重了。Зубр可以装3辆主战坦克或者8辆步兵战车以及相应的人員。
726型气垫船虽然小得多,但毕竟是按照运送主战坦克设计的。60吨的最大载重量已经足够装下目前国内的所有型号的主战坦克了。
Зубр和726那个好还很难说。因为气垫船越大,适合登陆的海岸反而会減少。而且三辆坦克分三艘,风险还可以分散一些。美国的LCAC-1也差不多就是这个吨位的东西,刚好装下一辆M1。在可预见的将来,中国大概不会发展60吨以上的坦克,所以726这个吨位应该暂时夠用了。
726型的自动化程度很高,只需要5名船员。Зубр需要30多人,和很多500吨级导弹艇的人数差不多(其中一部分是防空导弹和速射炮以及火箭的操作手)。我看气垫船沒有必要装这么多武器。沒有雷达,装防空导弹和速射炮的意义不大。防空任务还是交给其他舰艇比较好。火箭炮也应该装在更小,更灵活的气垫船上(比如724型)。或者在气垫船上装两辆自行火箭炮。这样海上和岸上都可以用。
leemz2002 6 months ago
@leemz2002 Wrong, it can hold one car now, remove the shelter, which is a waterproof housing for equipment and it could carry one truck. It can't carry shit to make it an effective LCAC. That is why China is buying Zubr from Ukraine.
stalkingalizee 6 months ago
@stalkingalizee
这个气垫船只不过是在通道式甲板上装了个方舱而已。这个方舱是可拆卸的,目的大概是搭乘的海军陆战队员。因为气垫船的舱室很小(定员5人),容不下多余的人员。通常的抢滩登陆作战的时间都比较短,人员站在甲板上也问题不大。巡逻的时间很长,让陆战队员一直露在甲板上也不合适。
拆掉方舱后,甲板上可以装一辆主战坦克或者两辆步兵战车或者四辆其它轻型车辆。
leemz2002 6 months ago
It is very cool, but it has no room for cargo. It is just a prototype.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
国产抑或外国造?如为外国造,则为耻辱。
Junkiang 1 year ago