Enoeda & Nakayama BASSAI DAI

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A rareand instructive video of the old JKA series: the kata and its bunkai as they were performed in the '60's

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[nordique59]

I've seen the French and the British who have broken with the JKA making greater strides with bunkai.

[sroedner]

@nordique59

...and the Italians. This is a very old video though (earely 60's) and it was meant to be a popular explanation of the significance of the kata, not a profound, specialistic study. A bit like explaining Shakespeare in the Lower School.

[ndileonardo]

@sroedner sigh. Bunkai is a guess, the eyes of the beholder. These kata were not invented by Kanazawa, Enoeda, Nakayama, even Funakoshi. They are much older. Guessing at their meaning is like trying to answer any of the great existential questions. A good exercise to develop your art, but ultimately, don't think that you will answer the question. It doesn't matter! And personally, I don't know that I would say that Italians on YouTube know more than some of our great master...

[Hikiwake10]

@osensei2987 In Japan we practice JIYU KUMITE and we use all the techniques we know,elbows,knees,throws.I m not talking about point fighting.That sucks

[osensei2987]

@nordique59 Nakayama was from a line of kenjutsu instructors. So in his twisted "JAPANESE" mind, he probably thought himself, "superior to the country bumpkin, Okinawan hicks". He approached empty hand and kumite as if they were fencing! IMHO, he both tragically and comically fucked up Shotokan! Even today u hear Japanese and non-Japanese make claims that the JKA "IMPROVED KARATE"! How arrogant! These ridiculous bunkai are the basis for the claim of Japanese ownership of the style!

[osensei2987]

@Hikiwake10 No, Not in free sparring! Once the gloves go on the technique disappears. Only kicks and punches from that point on! The only concern is who scores first! All of the techniques from the kata are quickly forgotten and success is measured in the number of medals and trophies one has accumulated. Meanwhile, ppl look at the katas and say they are not practical, because we never bother to prove the techniques in kumite! We just bounce around looking to score ippons!

[Hikiwake10]

@osensei2987 doesnt everyboy train like that?We do!

[Hikiwake10]

@osensei2987 It is hard to find someone tha truly know karate.In present day everybody focus on sport karate thats is joke

[osensei2987]

@osensei2987 Having said all of that, Karate would not be the joke that it is considered to be ( in the "MINDS OF SOME" ), if the techniques were taken from the kata, protection was put on and full contact sparring took place in which the idea would be to try and execute the techniques in the kata in a realistic fight simulation. I prefer that over the glorified amateur kickboxing game of tag that is on exhibit in modern Karate kumite (sparring) that uses very little Karate technique at all.

[osensei2987]

@Tapiola2007 Okinawans were likely rice farmers! I doubt they had memberships to Gold's Gym. So kata was modified in some instances from a fighting form to one the induces isometric as aerobic exercise. I did Kanku Dai about 3 times in a row and I was drenched from head to toe and had to change up my normal training routine the following day because it kicked my ass! Secondly, it provides u with an organized "LIST OF TECHNIQUES" that also need to be trained independent of kata.