Agorist Class Theory

Thoughts on class conflict.

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[Jimisonjons]

Bosses do not produce value. Workers have no common interest with their bosses full stop.

A factory does not need a parasitic owner to function. There have been several examples in history where workers have taken over their factories (or workplaces), and ran production themselves for human need without bosses.

One of the most famous examples is May 68 in France - largest general strike in history. Workers occupied their factories and formed workers' councils.

[XOmniverse]

And in a free society, you'd have the opportunity to run a factory in such a way.

[allixpeeke]

The French classical liberals came up with class theory long before Marx. German sociologist Franz Oppenheimer also presents class analysis in his The State. I haven't yet read up on agorist class theory, but wonder, how does it (and does it) differ from pre-Marxist liberal class analysis? Does agorist class theory provide anything new?

[XOmniverse]

Not familiar enough with pre-Marx class theory to answer that, honestly.

Agorist class theory seems true though, and that's what is more important.

[johnnymo87]

Change your fire alarm battery. kthxbai!

[scepticthinktank]

Managers are not the problem, owners are. You can call the capitalist class the "state" class, but it's a funny way of looking at it.

If workers control/own the means of their own labour, then it would be in their interests to submit to useful authority. But the entrepeneur must remain merely another worker - albeit one who may receive a higher market price for her more valuable labour - in order that a return to capitalism not occur.

[Antiks72]

@Jimisonjons Fully agreed. I've had plenty of jobs where bosses could disappear tomorrow and nothing would change. In my experience, they often make my life harder rather than easier. It's conventional in-the-box thinking at the expense of more intelligent people. Office Space lampooned this marvelously.

[SunBeamsan]

you should make more videos

[DonKhoi]

Anarchist Catalonia collapsed not due to internal economic problems, neither had it fallen victims to the oeconomic calculation problem ; but by MILITARY AGRESSIONS.

I attend Anthropology Class and know that many African aborigines live in EGALITARIAN communities before succubed to Western colonizers.

You but attack strawman!

[Edgrot]

Look I have read it all and can say this. You can call it Agorist or Marxis and it's still allow comunisim. The original constitution which hasn't been in use sence the late 1800s made all classes one by veiwing Sovereignty vested in the people.Your all compairing Marxism to the peace of crap democracy that is jamed down the republic gulit.I bet you don't even know there are two Constitutions do you?I am positive your lost on these topics.I can help but are you willing to learn?

[foiran]

And sorry to take up so much space but one more thing. The word bourgeois (boujwa) is singular what you should have said is bourgeoisie (boujwasy) indecently (though I get the impression that you have everyone telling you to read stuff) have you read The Power Elite by C Wright Mills I think you might dig it

[foiran]

These divide capitalist and worker the key to understanding Marxs idea of why communism should overtake capitalism isnt in thinking about conflicts of slave and master thats from history but from understanding the collective nature of production as opposed to the private ownership of the means of production and the private appropriation of the product of collective production

And before Marxists go threatening to kill me no the concept of instrumental rationality wasnt Marxs it was Webers

[foiran]

So where we have a wide array of possibilities for action that dont necessarily mesh with usual class stereotypes subjective understanding of class is detached from objective conditions compound this with advanced capitalism that requires highly evolved divisions of labour and we have a class structure that M and E appeared to miss BUT due to the fundamental nature of capitalism the objective conditions remain alienation of labour commodity fetishism and Instrumental rationality

[foiran]

What this opens is a space of ambiguity or ambivalence on the part of people as they confront their subjective understanding of their material world which is conceived of subjectively and therefore prepackaged to a degree (culturally) and so people will live with what they have in their head reorganising their life in response to objective conditions based on their cultural idioms so if they are confronted with a class structure they will deal with that in a culturally specific way