Martyr [ Sir Thomas More, The Tudors ]

A historically-based tribute to Sir Thomas More, rather like the contrast I did between Katharine and Anne.

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[Neramy]

@SorokChyetirye Of course as a Catholic, he was a honest one, and he died before accepting a king as head of the church. I'm not a believer, but I think that was brave of him. But More was also a humanist, if you've read Utopia you realize how a compasionate soul he had, its....shocking and sad to know he supported those religious prosecutions.

[ladyvignette]

@Neramy: the Catholicism of the Middle Ages professed that if you went without Mass, you were damned and separated from God (thus the Church instead of Christ was the intervening factor -- a fallacy). Thus, Thomas More, Mary Tudor, and many others believed that if you could force someone to return to the Mass, you would save their soul. They did not see it as religious persecution; they saw it as harming the body to save the soul.

[Neramy]

@ladyvignette But not only they forced people to return to mass, but they burnt some, didn't they?..did they think that was good for their souls or was it just revenge or hate?..........I might be wrong about the facts, I mean, I'm not a historian nor a theologist. I'm really interested in Thomas More, though and the fact of him being a prosecutor is kind of....sad to me.....(sorry if I make mistakes in english ;) )

[ladyvignette]

@Neramy: yes, they did burn some Protestants, and yes, they thought that purification by fire might save their soul. It was a sad time in world history, and the unfortunate consequence of Henry VIII's sinful ambition, to bring the Reformation to England by force.

[Watershepherd]

What s the name of the song ?

[ladyvignette]

@Watershepherd: I'm afraid I don't remember; something by Immediate Music.

[popbritglamlife]

Thomas More is the BEST!

[soccermagic88]

He gave his life for the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, Church for which he is not only a martyr but also a Saint.

[bloodncorsets]

I love Thomas More. He was one of the few people at the Tudor court with morals and integrity. Even under threat of death, he remained true to himself and true to his beliefs. He's a good role model for us all.

[Neramy]

@SorokChyetirye Even more when protestantism as a whole started as a more progresist way of being a christian. And More was a progresist in many aspects...

[Neramy]

@nualaseamus its strange...More was so much head of his time in some aspects that many of us (who like history and stuff like that) tend to idealize him and sometimes forget those arrests and executions. Indeed, many times, thinking and reading about him, I wished they never happened at all....so More could match my idealization, but they happened. (sorry about my poor english, doing my best :D)

[SorokChyetirye]

@KrazyKryptonian Why are we trying to defend More as not being an executioner? He was fighting for the truth: that the Pope, not the King nor the individual, had the final word in all spiritual matters, including marriage.

[KrazyKryptonian]

@nualaseamus In "God's Gentle Rebels" (Crossroad, 1995, p. 199), Christan Feldman argues that in trials of heresy, More "exhausted every possibility to preserve the religious deviants from death. He himself never sent a single heretic to the stake. Some would charge him with the three or four executions that occurred at the end of his term in office, but these would seem to be, at most, a question of putting his signature to judgments passed by others and no longer reversible."

[Florian30000]

Nice, very nice. Thank you