The Experience of Non-Duality Pt2
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"All gone. That's well worth it."
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@Forkfoot No Ramana was a bad example for the body because he left it quite unhealthy and let bugs eat him, may not have affected him but not a great example of an integrated enlightened being.
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@DJFuserT Exactly
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One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
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who is that one who can say "useful" or "useless"? Out from which point or center of your being?
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enlightenment is useless...
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Interviewing people who are "awakened" is fruitless, they lead you around in paradoxes and more or less something we can't understand. Instead of trying to understand the "awakened" experience, be who you are, everyday and be mindful. If you "awaken" good, if not, good. No need to try and chase ANYTHING!
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In liberation, fundamentally, there is everything happening without mediation. A self is a sense of an observer, a mediator of life. Instead of simply being life. Appearing to be once removed from life. Renate speaks of being detached as a form of liberation, but actually being detached is separation.
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You admit our expectations are the same so lets just go with that.:) Debate is endless.
I think Catherine is an honest, down to earth authentic woman. She is not trying to cash in in any way on her loss of sense of self like so many others do. I love her natural, untainted description of 'the vastness, the fullness that is also empty' and her talk of paradoxes. The interviewer twice refers to Non-Duality and Nirvana as if they are identical concepts but Catherine is not swayed by this or any suggestion that her loss of sense of self is enlightenment or spiritual advancement.
gainsbourg66 3 years ago 10
I mean, Ramana surely lives up to all our expectations of how an Enlightened Being should look, act and talk, but does that really tell us anything about anything other than our own expectations?
Forkfoot 1 year ago 5