@hockeyrulesus The bible is the blueprint, it is the recorded revelation of the apostles appointed by Christ in person, not dogmas latter added by power hungry self apointed men who were many times not even clergy. Your wasting your time i have been there done that and I am sick to my stomach of the error taught by the RCC. I pray they will see soon.
@hockeyrulesus Scripture was God breathed thats why popes dont add there words to the bible, so please dont try to claim you provided the bible, all that scripture was well circulated long before you. What we do know that is historical is the DARK AGES brought to us by the RCC when they tried to destroy the bible and keep mit latain so know but clergy could read it, this is where your power sprang from, but you caint overcome the Spirit of God, now the truth is out
@hockeyrulesus Scripture was around and circulated from the beginning and the RCC contains stuff that has been rejected by many based on what we know is from the apostles. Bul, you wont find much of catholic doctrine in the bible unless you place the cart before the horse kind of like evolutionist do, they believe in evolution first then point to fossils as proof just as catholics make dogmas contrary to scripture than try and reframe clear sacripture to allow there folly.
@PhalanxPerception If this was true, why is it that all Catholic Doctrine can be found in the earliest of Christian writings, way before a Catechism, even before the Catholic Church decided what the NT Canon should contain. I, as any knowledgeable Catholic can find Catholic doctrine with a Bible alone. When we quote the Church Fathers, it is to show these beliefs have been unchanged for 2000yrs, and the contrary only since the reformation.
1) Not everyone that reads the Bible is guided to truth, this can be seen by the 35,000 non Catholic denominations, all with various beliefs, some say Baptism brings the Holy Spirit(Anglicans), some not. Some say Baptize babies(Presbyterians), some not, Some say salvation can be lost (Calvinists) some not,etc,etc, and this is why Christ founded a Church that doesn't waver on any doctrines. 2) The Bishop of Rome's primacy is found as early as the 80AD.
@PhalanxPerception The deposit of Faith the Apostles left us was both written and oral, (2Thess2:15) "Therefor, brethren, stand fast and hold the 'Traditions' which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or our epistle." Not any ones writings, but men like, Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of St John for 4 decades, a most trust worthy source...more so then, say, Martin Luther. Apostolic Succession is a Biblical fact, so, one can argue the Primacy of Peter, but not that Peter had a successor.
@PhalanxPerception The Bible is clear, that part of the Apostles picked other worthy men to be Bishops, Presbyters(Priests), and Deacons, with the laying on of hands. This laying on of hands begins with an Apostle, and continues to the present day. Paul tells us that the Bible is not the only source of TRUTH, but also the Church, (1Tim 3:15) "know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the HOUSE OF GOD, which is the CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR and GROUND of the TRUTH"
@hockeyrulesus The RCC has dogmas declared than tries to streach scripture by long elaborate explinations of explinations in order to unite the conflicting teachings. Thats why you teach out of a catechism instead of a bible, and I know this for a fact, If you taught out of a bible even children would see quickly the contraditions so you indoctrinate them young until the practic a blind faith in the church rather than in God through Christ the ROCK
@hockeyrulesus This gets old but the only way the Roman catholic church has any authority is by its own claim. History and the bible most definitely do not support the idea or practice. In fact your earliest claimed writings are 100 of years after the fact. There is no need for a pope etc.. We have the word of God and the Holy Spirit to guide. If the pope is equal with scripture why not put his words in the bible?????????????????? You know why.
@hockeyrulesus The bible is the blueprint, it is the recorded revelation of the apostles appointed by Christ in person, not dogmas latter added by power hungry self apointed men who were many times not even clergy. Your wasting your time i have been there done that and I am sick to my stomach of the error taught by the RCC. I pray they will see soon.
PhalanxPerception 4 weeks ago
@hockeyrulesus This laying on of hands begins with an Apostle, and continues to the present day
really? based on what scriptur does this continue?
PhalanxPerception 4 weeks ago
@hockeyrulesus Scripture was God breathed thats why popes dont add there words to the bible, so please dont try to claim you provided the bible, all that scripture was well circulated long before you. What we do know that is historical is the DARK AGES brought to us by the RCC when they tried to destroy the bible and keep mit latain so know but clergy could read it, this is where your power sprang from, but you caint overcome the Spirit of God, now the truth is out
PhalanxPerception 4 weeks ago
@hockeyrulesus Scripture was around and circulated from the beginning and the RCC contains stuff that has been rejected by many based on what we know is from the apostles. Bul, you wont find much of catholic doctrine in the bible unless you place the cart before the horse kind of like evolutionist do, they believe in evolution first then point to fossils as proof just as catholics make dogmas contrary to scripture than try and reframe clear sacripture to allow there folly.
PhalanxPerception 4 weeks ago
@PhalanxPerception If this was true, why is it that all Catholic Doctrine can be found in the earliest of Christian writings, way before a Catechism, even before the Catholic Church decided what the NT Canon should contain. I, as any knowledgeable Catholic can find Catholic doctrine with a Bible alone. When we quote the Church Fathers, it is to show these beliefs have been unchanged for 2000yrs, and the contrary only since the reformation.
hockeyrulesus 4 weeks ago
@PhalanxPerception
1) Not everyone that reads the Bible is guided to truth, this can be seen by the 35,000 non Catholic denominations, all with various beliefs, some say Baptism brings the Holy Spirit(Anglicans), some not. Some say Baptize babies(Presbyterians), some not, Some say salvation can be lost (Calvinists) some not,etc,etc, and this is why Christ founded a Church that doesn't waver on any doctrines. 2) The Bishop of Rome's primacy is found as early as the 80AD.
hockeyrulesus 4 weeks ago
@PhalanxPerception The deposit of Faith the Apostles left us was both written and oral, (2Thess2:15) "Therefor, brethren, stand fast and hold the 'Traditions' which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or our epistle." Not any ones writings, but men like, Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of St John for 4 decades, a most trust worthy source...more so then, say, Martin Luther. Apostolic Succession is a Biblical fact, so, one can argue the Primacy of Peter, but not that Peter had a successor.
hockeyrulesus 4 weeks ago
@PhalanxPerception The Bible is clear, that part of the Apostles picked other worthy men to be Bishops, Presbyters(Priests), and Deacons, with the laying on of hands. This laying on of hands begins with an Apostle, and continues to the present day. Paul tells us that the Bible is not the only source of TRUTH, but also the Church, (1Tim 3:15) "know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the HOUSE OF GOD, which is the CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR and GROUND of the TRUTH"
hockeyrulesus 4 weeks ago
@hockeyrulesus The RCC has dogmas declared than tries to streach scripture by long elaborate explinations of explinations in order to unite the conflicting teachings. Thats why you teach out of a catechism instead of a bible, and I know this for a fact, If you taught out of a bible even children would see quickly the contraditions so you indoctrinate them young until the practic a blind faith in the church rather than in God through Christ the ROCK
PhalanxPerception 4 weeks ago
@hockeyrulesus This gets old but the only way the Roman catholic church has any authority is by its own claim. History and the bible most definitely do not support the idea or practice. In fact your earliest claimed writings are 100 of years after the fact. There is no need for a pope etc.. We have the word of God and the Holy Spirit to guide. If the pope is equal with scripture why not put his words in the bible?????????????????? You know why.
PhalanxPerception 4 weeks ago