When two GA pilots, one flying a Pilatus PC-12 and the other in a Beechcraft Premier jet, encountered an F-16 in a Military Operations Area used by Luke Air Force Base in Arizona last March, they h...
When two GA pilots, one flying a Pilatus PC-12 and the other in a Beechcraft Premier jet, encountered an F-16 in a Military Operations Area used by Luke Air Force Base in Arizona last March, they had to take abrupt, evasive maneuvers to avoid the military jet. The incident, after it was http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/... first reported in AVwebFlash, set off a lively debate among pilots on AVweb's http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AV... blog about the wisdom of flying in MOAs, and prompted an in-depth report in our sister publication, Aviation Safety. This week, AOPA obtained a http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/ar... video clip from the FAA showing the radar screen during the encounter, and also the voice tape from Air Traffic Control. The F-16 pilot has been reprimanded, and Luke officials told AOPA they will alter their training program to encourage their pilots to avoid similar encounters in the future. In a http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/... podcast interview with AVweb, PC-12 pilot Patrick McCall said his TCAS activated about 10 a.m. that day while he was cruising at 16,500 feet (VFR with flight following) and he had to dive his aircraft as the target kept closing on him. The target followed him in the dive and when McCall leveled at about 14,000 feet, he was amazed by the view from his side window. "I then looked to my left side of the aircraft and saw an F16 aircraft off of my left wing," he said in a written report sent to the FAA. "The F16 was no more than 20 feet off of my left wing."
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The blind acceptance of an attorney's version of the story and the hysterical response is the primary reason my AOPA membership is now terminated. My hope is that others follow.
Let's see these guys are in a hot MOA and they are surprised that military aircraft are nearby. They are also dumb enough to think that TCAS is providing them with useful information.
TCAS is designed to provide guidance when encountering aircraft flying civilian flight profiles, not military aircraft climbing 25,000 fpm and pulling 5g .
To expect military pilots preparing for a combat environment to have one ear open to listen to controllers is dumb.. dofus attorney, the MOA is hot
Are you joking? What would you imagine the F16 pilot would say? How about, "Hey guys, I'm about to break part 91.111 by coming up and flying formation 10 feet off your left wing without your consent." Right.
It would not have diminished the danger one bit. They still would have performed their avoidance maneuvers to get away from the moron in the F16.
Or they could have told the F16 to piss off; thereby making him think twice about it. Also everyone in the area would have heard it on the 121.5 channel so when they filed a complaint witnesses could potentially sign on the dotted line.
No charges were filed, therefore there was no crime. You have to understand the military is the same as the police, a good 'ol boys club - they watch out for each other. Hence broadcasting on the 121.5 all over Creation for everyone to hear is always a good idea.
Wow, you are dense. I was making an analogy about a crimal. While the F16 pilot did not commit a crime (I never said that), he did break the regs and he was reprimanded.
121.5 is a channel for emergencies. It's not a CB channel for hot dog fighter pilots to announce their position and intentions to buzz people. So no, using 21.5 in this case would not only serve no purpose whatsoever, but would also constitute a violation of the regulations.
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TCAS is designed to provide guidance when encountering aircraft flying civilian flight profiles, not military aircraft climbing 25,000 fpm and pulling 5g .
To expect military pilots preparing for a combat environment to have one ear open to listen to controllers is dumb.. dofus attorney, the MOA is hot
It would not have diminished the danger one bit. They still would have performed their avoidance maneuvers to get away from the moron in the F16.
You have to understand the military is the same as the police, a good 'ol boys club - they watch out for each other.
Hence broadcasting on the 121.5 all over Creation for everyone to hear is always a good idea.
121.5 is a channel for emergencies. It's not a CB channel for hot dog fighter pilots to announce their position and intentions to buzz people. So no, using 21.5 in this case would not only serve no purpose whatsoever, but would also constitute a violation of the regulations.
The pilots could bitch and moan he's getting too close.