"Red Nichols and his Five Pennies" (Vitaphone 1929)
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FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!! HIGHEST RATING!!!!
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Bellisimo, gracias por compartirlo.
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That's not Miff Mole. Unfortunately I forgot the guy's name for the moment.
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@Desdemona202 Decades after jazz had already been a vibrant & widespread music form, whites, in the late '20s began adopting & toning it down as whites did with most forms of black music. Marsalis is right but is was an established art form when whites got into it in the 20's. Blacks incorporated music associated with whites but it was their own creation from the late 1800's to the turn of the century.
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@Desdemona202 Musicologists & historians have had an easier time untangling the history of jazz & from whom & whence it derived. It, like the blues that gave birth to it, came out of black communities all over the South. Whites contributed but to what they themselves explicitly recognized as a black art form. Jazz was extremely influential & by the mid to late '20's whites consciously made "white jazz" to make it more palatable to whites who didn't want to see minstrel or blackface
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That's Peewee Russell on clarinet. And as for you up2space, your despicable comments are being reported.
i'm just starting to appreciate this swoozy type of treatment it was for the rich dames that liked to dress up in arab garments. that is frankie teschmacher on clarinet a white hero to me. bix died in the rain. that's the barrier. wake up and realize the truth. that scumbag art blakey was at war to prove blacks made jazz. will you let his generation win?
up2space 5 months ago
@up2space Hey, not really the right view of this. black people and white people created jazz. Its based on african based rhythms and european song structure. Bix is without a doubt my favorite jazz musician and I like the original dixieland jazz band, however just because a white jazz band recorded the first "jazz" song doesnt really mean anything. In short saying that white people invented jazz is FALSE.
Desdemona202 5 months ago 2
@Desdemona202 I would have to go further & say that blacks created jazz..The use of European song structure does not indicate the participation of whites in the creation of jazz because blacks were very familiar with those structures & employed them in the creation of this art form by the late 1800's. whites did participate in playing & composing jazz music but to say that they help to create it is like saying Debbie Harry, Vanilla Ice, & Eminem co-created rap & hip-hop music.
kbee 2 months ago
@kbee The fact is you can't put things like a genre of music at on place or time and say "x" person did this and it created jazz, because it evolved and multiple people contributed. Now a majority, in the early years, were most certainly African American, however others contributed. Whites with their marches and Caribbean forms of music. The port of New Orleans was literally a melting pot for cultures, and Thats what jazz is. Like Wynton Marsalis said, "Jazz is like a pot of Gumbo"
Desdemona202 2 months ago
@Desdemona202 The white jazz movement which Nichols was a part was, musically, derivative & referred to the original jazz forms long-established in black communities decades before. It was a conscious effort by whites to "tame" jazz & they introduced & removed elements from jazz.. This sort of thing happened with whites like Pat Boone & Elvis in rock & roll & like them, whites explicitly articulated that jazz was what blacks did & that is why they set out to tame it, to whiten it.
kbee 2 months ago
@kbee Again, this isn't right at all. The only people trying to tame it were the big orchestra's run by Paul Whiteman and Art Hickman. These small groups like the one above were simply groups of musicians jamming to the music they loved. They weren't trying to tame it. They were making it their own and expressing their feelings through the music. They werent whitening it up. They were playing jazz.
Desdemona202 1 month ago
@kbee also music is not to be exclusive. It's for everyone. I'm African American myself, and I still believe that. Sure we may have had a bigger part in its creation but, its still evolving to this day, taking characteristics from everything, because different people from different backgrounds work together to make it great. Don't generalize jazz.
Desdemona202 1 month ago