Jesus Has Left the Building, Part 1 (The Bible)

The first episode in a new series examining the historicity of Jesus Christ.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Jesus
• Christ
• historicity
• historical
• person
• man
• figure
• character
• myth
• imaginary
• existed
• existence
• real
• fake
• skepticism
• criticism
• bible
• extra-biblical
• non-biblical
• Josephus
• Tacitus
• Suetonius
• accounts
• evidence

[TaylorX04]

@dutchpuppy2 What's easy to verify? If the bible has merit for having some minor historical details right, then The Iliad has just as much merit for talking about the historical city of Troy. But you wouldn't say all the rest of The Iliad is likely true on that basis. Or would you?

[TaylorX04]

@dutchpuppy2 No, it's not out of the norm for a person to die for their beliefs. What is out of the norm is for a person to die for beliefs they know are lies. However, it's doubtful that a person can hold a belief they know to be false. It's not clear if the disciples would have known their beliefs were a lie or not, but more importantly, the reports of their martyrdom come overwhelmingly late, from (often conflicting) church traditions rather than the bible.

[siannarino]

I ALSO BELVIED IN JESHUA. AFTER READING THE BIBLE, COVER TO COVER 3 TIMES, I STARTED TO UNDERSTAND. THEIR IS NO TRINTY, G-D DOES NOT HAVE A SON AND THERE ARE 150K MISTRANSLATIONS FROM HEBREW TO GREEK. PAUL WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE "SAVED" BY GRACE. HE SAY'S HEY FORGET THE LAWS. PSALM 119 DEVOTES 176 PASSAGES ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THE LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. MAYBE G-D WAS JUST PLAYING A JOKE ON HIS PEOPLE? "NOT."

[alvaboyfilms]

@TaylorX04 If the Christ myth was at least being debated within the historical scholarly community (secular & non) in the same way we find global warming is being debated within the scientific community maybe an argument based on biases & agenda's might work but the Christ myth is basicaly a non-issue amongst NT and/or historical scholars that remains largely within pop-culture publications & the internet. Our discussion here on YouTube being a perfect example.

[TaylorX04]

@alvaboyfilms A "hand-waving dismissal"? Talk about sensationalism, lol. You do realize that scientific peer review is much more uniform because it's structured around a method on which there is pretty much universal agreement... and historical review has nothing quite as strong. I'm also curious to know why you think that New Testament publications would not have a great number of religious believers with personal biases against Jesus myth. It's not dismissal, it's statement of fact.

[alvaboyfilms]

@TaylorX04 The absence of the myth in the world of peer-reviewed journals may not be a determining factor but it definitely serves as a barometer for its weakness also my peer-reviewed reference was to the entire community (secular & religious) on which we look to for all our knowledge & facts of the historical world & such a hand-waving dismissal of this community only highlights why such debates (centered more around sensationalism than facts) are nothing more than an exercises in futility.

[TaylorX04]

@alvaboyfilms Unlike science journals, religion journals are often run by believing academics, or at the very least academics who may still cling to some vestige of Christianity. But fortunately peer review is not itself the determining factor of a sound hypothesis, especially in a field like history, where method is much more debated than in science. Seems like you should know this.

[alvaboyfilms]

@TaylorX04 No I don't thinks its a stretch to equate this myth with other such sensationalist hearsay. On the contrary, I think the fact that we don't find this being discussed or taken serious within any peer-reviewed journals and/or publications only goes demonstrate the weakness of the hypothesis & why its only recognition has been within the unscholarly yet lucrative world of pop-culture publications. Its In this sense I find this debate as futile as any other such sensationalist debates.

[TaylorX04]

@alvaboyfilms Well, we seem to agree on that, at least. I think you're really stretching it with the 9/11 truther and moon landing comparisons. Yes, there are some Jesus mythers whose sole impetus is to deny the existence of Jesus at any cost, but there are also those who simply don't find the proposed evidence persuasive. The evidence for Jesus is woefully less than for 9/11 being a terrorist attack or for us landing on the moon.

[alvaboyfilms]

@TaylorX04 Obviously as a skeptical agnostic Ehrman wouldn't subscribe to the divinity attributed to Christ in the gospels but as a NT scholar & historian he also doesn't subscribe to any of the various myth hypothesis that appeal more to the sensationalist impulse than they do the honest seeker of historical facts. There is as much hope of reaching a conclusion to this debate as there is to reaching a conclusion of a 911 thruther debated or moon landing hoax debate.