Jewish Burqa Trend: The Frumka - pt 2 of 2

A Jewish type of burqa, called a 'frumka' is a growing trend among Ultra-Orthodox Jewish women, although it's more extreme than the Muslim equivalent, with women wearing up to 7 veils, 10 skirts and gloves.

Discussing the 'frumka', Orthodox trends, and modesty and piety as status symbols are:

Jason Solomons - The Guardian
Miriam Shaviv - The Jewish Chronicle
Naomi Alderman - Author
Tim Samuels - Documentary filmmaker

Recorded March 2008, Sounds Jewish podcast:
http://www.guardian.co.uk


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All photos in the video are from public internet sources and show Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men and women in Israel/ Palestine. The women in the photos are not the women involved in the court case mentioned in the video.

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[TheShahrazad1]

The podcast did silence covered women by not presenting one to speak for herself. As for "excessive" who gives anyone the right to decide that foe someone else?

[oclandestin]

@TheShahrazad1 ... It's a Jewish podcast where Jewish guests report/ discuss on news items or issues related to the Jewish community around the world. It's up to them to comment on the topic as they wish. This particular item is about a tiny group of women who don't engage with the media. It's clear in the discussion that the views about female modesty are understood to be an important aspect of Judaism. You seem to be taking this all very personally and it doesn't involve you.

[TheShahrazad1]

The dialogue on this "issue" may be a good thing. The insulting, condescension is definitely not a good thing. A covered woman isn't necessarily a silent one. Modesty isn't a joke! Next time, you may want to consider having the input of a covered woman, whom YOU silenced w/ this show.

[oclandestin]

@TheShahrazad1 ... Thanks for your opinion. I don't think the podcast will "silence" any covered women. I think it is only the degree to which this small group of Jewish women have decided to cover that is the issue being discussed, for examples the multiple skirts. I think most Jewish or Muslim or Christian women who dress modestly would find this excessive.

[kaashee]

this is pathetic- 0:16 "presumably you werent stuffed into a frumka"

It's the free choice of these women to dress this way. The frumka is being made out to be imposed now. what pathetic behaviour.

[oclandestin]

@kaashee ... He was just making a joke... and referring to what she would have been made to wear as a child.

[redfootwalking]

wow, this is interesting indeed!

[stupidreamer]

@lahwitcha I find it fascinating how men must be protected from women, yet women never have to be protected from men. Also, if a man can't control himself, that's his affair and not the woman's.

Women get turned on too, you know. ;)

[TheCentralServices]

@TheShahrazad1 Who invented the frumka and where does the name come from?

[estherhadas]

Thank you for these video's. This is somehthing that I've been noticing for many years and I am not surprised that it has come to a "frumqa." This is a sickness.

[graceinmay]

Far from trying to disappear or be invisible, as it were, I presume that many Untra Orthodox Jewish women are dressing this way primary to feel and seem more devout, to do more religiously, and to in a way assert themselves as women in religiously-acceptable ways within their community. I would guess that there is an element of personal and spiritual pride that goes with this, and that the main reason is religiosity rather than a desrise to be unseen.

[perrik7]

@redfootwalking bounch of lies.

Burqa in Judaism and Christianity:

Genesis 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.