California's Budget Mess
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@caffingdu Ok, then explain how poor Americans got educated before federal funding?
BTW I am one of those poor Americans along with my wife who got through college without federal help. So please explain how we couldn't do it without government help. I'm waiting
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@garybsg And I don't understand your point about poverty being "not about money" and then mentioning that the average kid in college makes minimum wage. what's your point? Most students like the little extra cash, every bit helps, but minimum wage is nowhere near enough to pay for college. If it weren't for public funding and federal and state grants then those in poverty would not have the opportunity to get an education. and those in poverty still have much more to overcome than just finances
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@garybsg If citizen A needs education, healthcare, etc, then yes I am willing to take from wealthy citizen B. Citizen B has a social duty, and if he will not fulfill it the people will make him. Call it socialism, call it stealing, call it undermining freedom. I don't care what you call it, or what twist it to be. I call it a more fair a just world, where anybody willing to work hard can have just as many opportunities as the spoiled lazy children of rich parents.
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@caffingdu So if citizen A has a short coming (needs education, housing, etc), you are willing to take (tax) citizen B to compensate his needs. You are willing undermine freedom(freedom for Citizen B to keep his property) and undermine justice( he did not cause citizen A's problem but must pay for it) Anytime you give a man something he did not earn, you teach envy and laziness. Poverty is not about money (the average kid in a college dorm makes minimum wage), it is about values.
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@garybsg at the very least, everyone should have equal OPPORTUNITY to succeed in life. We need ease of social mobility. We cannot bar the lower class from ever having any hope of having the comforts of the upper class. For ease of social mobility and equal opportunity, you MUST have education as a right for all people who want it and have the ability and the determination to work for and earn a degree.
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The quality of life is not the standard of a nation. If a nation could have a better quality of life by stealing money or killing people, would this be a good nation? The US is the only nation in the world and in the history of the world built on the an idea: human dignity through freedom. Islamic nations are built on submission to Allah, Communist nations submission to the state, European nations submission to the greater good, America is in decline because our freedom is in decline.
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The constitution is, of course, the "supreme law" of the US. And the DOI is philosophically significant. The philosophy of a nation, however, is often distant from the reality. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do indeed define the core values of America...and every other nation of Earth, for that matter. What truly defines a nation, however, is quality of life. From that perspective, California--and America as a whole--have been on the decline since the 1970s.
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@eduTouY The sign of losing a debate is start insulting instead of responding. So which documents are more supreme then the US Constitution and the DOI. I'm waiting for your most educated an answer.
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@garybsg Now THAT is a solid argument. You are very right in saying the DOI reflects the philosophy that America was founded upon. I truly appreciate the civility of your response. We've had a healthy intellectual exchange and I value your insights even though I may not agree with all of them. Forgive me if came across as rude at any point. You have gained my respect with your well-articulated arguments delivered with unwavering decency. I sincerely wish everyone on YouTube would learn from you.
Good question! Go into any California "welfare" office (Dept. of Social Service) and see how many MEXICANS) are in the lobby!
ticks4ticks4 2 years ago 3
California brought this problem on themselves. Arnold supported W's "undocumented worker program" which encouraged millions of illegal aliens to enter your state ( in my country) to work for sub-standard wages for long hours for the sole benefit of the grove owners and produce growers. Paying less that minimum wages, exploiting the Mexican workers while they made a handsome profit. Now you have all these illegal aliens draining your social services dry and no one saw this coming? Dumbasses!!
brokentricycle 2 years ago 3