Baji Quan of Master Liu YunQiao 劉雲樵大師的八極拳影片

這段影片是在民國70年代,由今是公司所拍攝的八極拳紀錄片的片段,內容為由劉雲樵大師所示範的八極拳用法及八極連環拳,相當珍貴,值得參考.

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Sports

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• KungFu
• Baji
• Wutan
• 中國武術
• 武壇
• 八極
• 劉雲樵

[j815062]

八極拳打起來不好看,他是完全以實用為主的拳法

劉老師傅年輕時除了主學八極,也練過螳螂拳和八卦掌,所以他的八­極拳較為靈動

李書文弟子很多,劉老師傅是他最後一位關門弟子,也是完全繼承李­氏八極拳的人

[romoves]

Please, if you don't have knowledge about kung-fu and mainly about master Liu Yun Qiao history and the consequences of his work in kung-fu world, don't comment disrespectfully. Thank you to those who show respect.

[Gibmeister123]

@alexdhamp Just about everything :), LYQ practiced Bagua aswell so they were probably doing some 'free form' sparring, while Bagua relies heavily on flowing footwork and whiping motion Baji movements "explode". The footwork is somewhat static like Xing Yi however the secrets to its fearsome power lies in the charging step (where you hear a loud bang), it is not a stamp in itself but it is merely the feet/legs following throughthe movements of your hips turning.

[alexdhamp]

Does Baji do circle walking too? I've been interested in Bagua lately...and these seem pretty similar to my untrained eyes. What's the difference between Bajiquan and Baguazhang?

[ooogooman]

@codexdelux That may be the approach of your school- and a legitimate one- but are you contending that that is the *only* functional way to approach baji? That no school that teaches baji and nothing but baji from Day 1 can be successful?

[codexdelux]

@ooogooman Its often better to think of baji as the kata's you start learning when you reach a black belt in karate. To devote a school to only those without thoroughly learning the basics first would be senseless and a waste for the students:) the other systems like mantis are still heavily influenced by the baji though, we often get comments about baji stomping in our mantis forms and such:P

[ooogooman]

@codexdelux Aaaaah. I see. Yes, I hadn't understood that your school has a curriculum that teaches other martial systems before baji- that's among the few legitimate reasons for it to take that long.

[codexdelux]

@ooogooman also:) the baji stance training is pretty different from any i've had in Karate or tae kwon do. its not static at all. your always trying to sink lower working your leg muscles. maintaining proper structure in your whole body, let your tailbone sink, lower the shoulders etc.. etc... so its not static. And then theres usually mantis step training afterwards, which is as unstatic as it gets:) 250 word count seems to leave enough out for misunderstandings every time i write:P

[codexdelux]

@ooogooman you misunderstand me i think. You should learn simpler stuff before baji so your structure is good. so 40 min of stance every training (if your stance is static your doing it wrong;) ) but in the meantime you also train tanglang (mantis), long fist and tai chi quan. The problem with baji has been that it tried to adopt, taught baji First and no one understood anything properly. its a very good system that craves dedication, if one does'nt have that then sure train something else:)

[ooogooman]

@codexdelux You can't call a reluctance to engage in three years of stance training before your system even *begins* to be martially practical 'laziness' when there are martial systems that take considerably shorter periods not merely to teach people something martially useful but to turn people into formidable fighters. That's just being rational. There are better ways than static stance training to achieve the benefits it gives you, and a modern baji school must adopt them.

[codexdelux]

@ooogooman maybe is because of lazyness. When people find out that learning Baji is actually hard work they seem to loose interest. Anyone is welcome to train in our club, but there's no point in learning anyone Baji before they at least have proper structure in their stances, and that usually takes 2-3 years. with 40 min stances at least every training. If you just start training everyone before they have that structure its just gonna become "Mc-dojo" where nobody learns anything properly.

[ooogooman]

@emanresu81 Then Baji is doomed. I can learn excellent karate or jujutsu in any one of hundreds of schools around the world. I will then learn from others who have learned in those schools- we will meet, share our ideas, and collectively develop our art to unseen heights. Meanwhile, those scattered few who have a knowledge of 'true' Baji will train alone, reminisce on the glory days of Li Shu Wen, and wonder why there are no modern masters to match him.

Chinese martial arts must adapt or die.