Re: Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 24)

Zeitgeist - FULL MOVIE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&a...
Just the religion part:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740987755232169561&q=zeitgeist+p...

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[Starcutter20]

nah Expelled like all documentries that are not made by michele morre gets a limited release and allot of the people that will see it are church goers and few people like us who ask questions.

[HarrisonTheFan]

Good point

[JebusGeist]

"But I must say that government has their hand in our science books and they hide many things, as well as teach falsehoods. "

I know it's 5 months since you've made that statement, but, can you please provide examples?

"The bible should be considered a valuable reference as any other science book"

This implication that the bible is a scientific text also requires justification. By not having provided any within your comment you have made it appear to be nothing more than baseless assertions.

[LBTennis]

"As humans, we should question everything"

well how bout you start by taking a hard look at your precious bible. Do alittle research and you'll see why it should never be considered a valuable reference for anything.

[moveste]

@Cizevun 1tabligh is probably a piece of software. Whatever you write, 1tabligh will respond with texts copied from some leading muslim's speeches and books.

The pattern seems to be that certain words in what you have written will result in certain texts from 1tabligh.

If you Google for some of his sentences, you'll see the same texts all over the web, in fora where 1tabligh operates.

Someone tested him here on yt, with texts about barbecueing, and still received the exact same responses.

[1tabligh]

@Cizevun Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.

[Cizevun]

@1tabligh You're like a broken record, dude.

[1tabligh]

@Cizevun Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!

Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!

Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?

[Cizevun]

@1tabligh "How is that..."

Well, as I'm sure you've missed, that is, indeed, a fine example of your being just plain stupid.

[1tabligh]

God and Empirical Logic.

One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".

Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter? ...

How is that for YOUR "...are just plain stupid. "?

[1tabligh]

@Cizevun Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear. ....

[Cizevun]

@1tabligh Okay, finally you have exhausted my patience. Systematic of your kind, you don't read responses, choose to ignore them, or are just plain stupid.

[1tabligh]

@Cizevun Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?

Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?