Why should Americans continue to die in healthcare? Thom debates Dan Gainor

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[lacomtessealice]

I am French-American and I am flabbergast to see how many Americans still support the current U.S. healthcare system ? If this happened in France, people would be out on the street decades ago to run down all those "interested parties" ! This is NOT a political issue ! This is a fundamental issue, a human's Right issue! A moral issue! Oh, I forgot, there is no such "moral thing" in our society anymore... It is all about profit.

[madpaintbalerx]

I love it how conservatives just spew out random "facts" with no evidence to try and sway people who may not know better.

[irishgodfatherchris]

@silversnowsnake under yours maybe but under mine I can choose which doctor sees me, I can choose which public hospital I want to go to, the only thing I can't do is choose the surgeon and other specialists to work on me. On the otherhand if I was to purchase private insurance (which I can't due to a lack of funds) I could choose all of those things its essentially like upgrading from economy to business or first class you pay more for those extra perks.

[silversnowsnake]

@irishgodfatherchris Well, I'm a common upper secondary student who wants to take care of my own health. I don't want to run a drug company. All I want is taking care of myself and saving at where I trust, going to my favorite hospital and doctors I trust. Under UHC, you can't choose much. Bureaucrats fix everything.

[irishgodfatherchris]

@silversnowsnake It sounds like you don't like the system because you can't make money off it.

[silversnowsnake]

@irishgodfatherchris I don't know where you live and I can't compare costs of private care and public care in your country. I'm from Norway and we have HUGE socialized medicine. The spending per capital is higher than cost of private insurances. Private hospitals are better and cheaper than public hospitals even though gov spends massive amount of tax money. You don't get my point yet. If US gov spending that much is a failure, how could UHC can succeed? Tax limit will be as high as 70%.

[irishgodfatherchris]

@silversnowsnake listen to what I said instead of twisting my words to suit your agenda, I said the US is the only Industrialised country (first world) that does not have Universal Healthcare (a compulsory purchase of private insurance is not UHC), if private care was cheaper than public care why is it that I and everyone else in the first-world pay less for our public insurance than we do for private, not everything is about making money I don't think you or the US seems to get that.

[silversnowsnake]

@irishgodfatherchris And wrong again. US federal government is spending in healthcare per capita more than any other countries in the world and it's absolutely a failure. and double wrong again. Many other countries don't have free healthcare. Cuba and N.Korea have free healthcare. Private care is better and cheaper than public care. The problem is the US gov's spending massively and it creates inflation. Inflation makes insurances more expensive and no competition between drug companies.

[silversnowsnake]

@irishgodfatherchris Healthcare is not a right. It's a service. UN is not a world government. UN also says everybody has a right to get somewhere to live. Will you let all immigrants in your country because they claim it's a right? No, I won't let people die. My parents are doctors. They treat patient who can't afford free of charge. I would rather raise a medicine fund to help the poor people without stealing other people's money.

[irishgodfatherchris]

@silversnowsnake really so you would allow 40,000 of your own citizens to die because they cannot afford treatment, the US is the only industrialised country in which people die because they cannot afford medical treatment.

[irishgodfatherchris]

@silversnowsnake he said a human right, and according to the UN healthcare is a human right. Did you also know that property isn't a right either

[silversnowsnake]

@lacomtessealice Health care is not a human right. FAIL!