I don't think there is any slack in the reins. They are tied to the saddle, the bend in the reins is a bit of an illusion due to the curb bit. The reins at one point dig into the neck! He is well trained and doing some very complicated movements but I disagree that he is relaxed, alot of his moves are abrupt and almost panic-ie. I agree with Katphoti - it's normal for certain cultures to train with such methods and to have them over flexed.
Beautiful, talented, precise and athletic. It took a lot of training, talent and skill to get the horse to work and react like this and a frame like this may be the only way it works for this horse.
What I really want to know too, is what is that music? It is gorgeous.
@hawaiianpony He's trained to hold himself like that. It's very easy to tie a horse's head down and force it to stand like that to get that kind of false collection. It creates muscle memory so the horse always holds his head like that. Plus this horse's back is hollow because he is trying to strain to hold his head in that position. Unfortunately, it's very "normal" in this culture to have over flexed horses like this.
@katphoti Well if he's over collected, hes doing it on his own, cause there is a lot of slack on those reins if you look closely. But yes Id like to see him bitless too!
@kangalhorse How is the horse being "tortured"? I see no signs of stress on this horse, he is calm, and well trained. He's a little over collected, but I think he's doing it on his own because the rider is not holding onto the reins and there is lots of slack if you look closely. This horse is FINE, just very talented!
Fascinating, and I love seeing the rider work solely off his legs. But it would be more impressive if the horse weren't so overflexed. The poor thing can't even seen in front of him with his head cranked like that, and it's got to be hard on his back and neck. But I know overflexion = beauty in this culture. I bet if he tried this without a bridle at all the horse would be just as good.
@magrish89 It's not that you cant do it with a snaffle, The 4 great Euro schools do it all the time. You need the same set of skills to use a spade. But I feel that the finish work seems to appear more refined with a outstanding rider using a spade properly. Pignon works with nothing. It would be more difficult to request the reaction times that Rejoneador get with a dbl bridle/snaffle is all. Great question, I wish I could put into words a better reply for you. Try this,"It's a feel"
@magrish89 Haute Ecole. You can start with a snaffle but the finish work for a Spade is much more refined. Similar to the current use of the dbl bridle used for Dressage work but with less garbage in the mouth or extra reins. Picture this, Think F1 compared to a Corvette. What can you do different in a F1 car then you can in a corvette. Nothing, only much more refined and exact with less movement. Example see Merlin video in you tube 2:38 long. more then the bit, it’s the whole package
I don't think there is any slack in the reins. They are tied to the saddle, the bend in the reins is a bit of an illusion due to the curb bit. The reins at one point dig into the neck! He is well trained and doing some very complicated movements but I disagree that he is relaxed, alot of his moves are abrupt and almost panic-ie. I agree with Katphoti - it's normal for certain cultures to train with such methods and to have them over flexed.
tycoonlodge 1 month ago
Beautiful, talented, precise and athletic. It took a lot of training, talent and skill to get the horse to work and react like this and a frame like this may be the only way it works for this horse.
What I really want to know too, is what is that music? It is gorgeous.
Wonderhorse98 1 month ago
@hawaiianpony He's trained to hold himself like that. It's very easy to tie a horse's head down and force it to stand like that to get that kind of false collection. It creates muscle memory so the horse always holds his head like that. Plus this horse's back is hollow because he is trying to strain to hold his head in that position. Unfortunately, it's very "normal" in this culture to have over flexed horses like this.
katphoti 1 month ago
@katphoti Well if he's over collected, hes doing it on his own, cause there is a lot of slack on those reins if you look closely. But yes Id like to see him bitless too!
hawaiianpony 2 months ago
@kangalhorse How is the horse being "tortured"? I see no signs of stress on this horse, he is calm, and well trained. He's a little over collected, but I think he's doing it on his own because the rider is not holding onto the reins and there is lots of slack if you look closely. This horse is FINE, just very talented!
hawaiianpony 2 months ago
Terrible! This is good example for torture of horses. :(
kangalhorse 2 months ago
Fascinating, and I love seeing the rider work solely off his legs. But it would be more impressive if the horse weren't so overflexed. The poor thing can't even seen in front of him with his head cranked like that, and it's got to be hard on his back and neck. But I know overflexion = beauty in this culture. I bet if he tried this without a bridle at all the horse would be just as good.
katphoti 4 months ago
Amazing! This horse is clearly happy and likes his job. Thanks for sharing!
megan040201 7 months ago
@magrish89 It's not that you cant do it with a snaffle, The 4 great Euro schools do it all the time. You need the same set of skills to use a spade. But I feel that the finish work seems to appear more refined with a outstanding rider using a spade properly. Pignon works with nothing. It would be more difficult to request the reaction times that Rejoneador get with a dbl bridle/snaffle is all. Great question, I wish I could put into words a better reply for you. Try this,"It's a feel"
Race62hud 9 months ago
@magrish89 Haute Ecole. You can start with a snaffle but the finish work for a Spade is much more refined. Similar to the current use of the dbl bridle used for Dressage work but with less garbage in the mouth or extra reins. Picture this, Think F1 compared to a Corvette. What can you do different in a F1 car then you can in a corvette. Nothing, only much more refined and exact with less movement. Example see Merlin video in you tube 2:38 long. more then the bit, it’s the whole package
Race62hud 9 months ago