A Way To Counter the Schielhau With a Schnappen

"This is also a piece of the Schielhau and a break against when the sword is at the neck. This is the break against the other piece, and mark that you see how it is painted.
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/JWH1/jw19a.jpg

This is from the break of the Schielhau with Uberlauffen, that will break the Schielhau. With a strong cut or slice go over his flats and go immediately [to him]. This is therefore a strong break to make against the Gloss."
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/JWH1/jw19b.jpg
(Jörg Wilhalm CGM 3711 ff. 19r-v, tr. David Clarke)
Demonstrators: Chris Bertell and Joseph Greene. Interpreter: Hugh Knight.

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Sports

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• schlachtschule
• dave clarke
• longsword
• jörg wilhalm
• schielhau
• schnappen

[Andrhens]

Is it possible to use the schnappen from a hard bind or from Kron? Let me give you an example, both fighters assume langenort and enter the bind. Sensing that the opponent is controling the central line, the agent closes the distance (am schwert) and performs schnappen. Is that appropriate?

Sorry for any english mistakes. Keep up with the good work!

[Schlachtschule]

@Andrhens I am coming to see the Schanppen as a universal action, meaning that it can be used in almost any bind without that being a made-up modern technique of the sort we should avoid. But why would you both assume Langenort and then enter close range? You should enter close range with an attack, never just by moving in. Does that make sense? And your English is great!

[Andrhens]

@Schlachtschule Indeed, it makes sense. Thank you!

[Schlachtschule]

@Andrhens You're very welcome.

[Schlachtschule]

@airnt I'll happily discuss anything. I just want you to learn the techniques first so that we can discuss them meaningfully. And I did "allow" all your comments. I havne't blocked any of them--I want my students to be able to see everything you have to say, believe me.

When you post snotty comments over and over even after someone politely shows you that you don't understand the material you have to expect that you will simply be told to learn the basics before you start arguing.

[airnt]

@Schlachtschule Am i to understand that i have won the agument because you don't want to discuss the actual material anymore? oh, and allow the previous comment, then maybe it makes sence what i am saying. if you read carfully you will notice i do mean HAU.

you should spend less time in telling everybody they are crap and spend more time in being constructive and getting on with the work and respect everyones point of view like most respectable martial artists do.

[Schlachtschule]

@airnt I think you should stop looking at advanced techniques until you've grasped the basics. Go to our page and look at the videos for what a Schielhau actually is, and learn that first. I have posted videos of using the cut--Schiel*hau*--against an Oberhau, and using it to bind against Langenort and Unterstich and thrusting from there. Hopefully, when you actually understand the Schielhau, then the play on this page will make more sense.

[Schlachtschule]

@airnt No, you do not risk pushing the point up into the face--his point is nowhere near you, and your sword is between the two of you. That's the principle behind all Schnappen--have you never studied the Fechtbücher? You've just decided that one of the most common actions from the bind doesn't work?? The only thing new here is using it vs. the Schielhau.

The source for this technique is clearly documented in the notes above. Didn't you even bother looking at it before commenting?

[Schlachtschule]

@airnt Yes, Meyer does the Schielhau with a thumb grip, but as you say, earlier sources make no mention of that, and, moreover, the Glasgow Fechtbuch does not show it--and that is a copy of Ringeck. Also, what thrusts? there are no thrusts in the is play. And no, it doesn't change the technique to do it agaisnt a thumb-grip Schielhau--it's basically the same cut.

[airnt]

@Schlachtschule (continuaton) and if you would use this techniue you would risk pushing the point up into your face as you come in. if you get that far because of the displacement he can achieve by the schielhau strike. also what is your source for this application of this technique?