@patsrule213 In 2010 the Sun went through a solar minimum. If temperature is primarily driven by the sun, the global average temperature for that year should have been at a corresponding minimum, but it wasn't. 2010 was a record or near record year.
The last 300 consecutive months have all been above the former average temperature determined from the last century. Yes, we have experienced global warming but it is not caused by a change in the output of the Sun.
There actually is global warming caused by the sun. It's called natural global warming. Again you can't say that global warming doesn't exist because the sun can cause global warming.
Actually, there is global warming caused by the sun, it's called natural global warming. So don't say that global warming doesn't exist, it can come from the sun.
@Texmurphy51 "That is what Warmers do is to narrow the view to just recent history"
Sorry but I was responding to your comment. Trouble is there was no time in history that makes your claim correct. Furthermore going back to a time when CO2 was much higher than it is today does not yield "the same rise in CO2 as now" (certainly not for each and "every warming phase").
@Texmurphy51 "When you look at the big picture you will see that much higher CO2 levels have never lead to warming" - FALSE again
The higher levels of CO2 in the past were at a time when global temperatures were 14 deg F higher than they are today. 14 deg F is a lot of warming. We are currently worried about a few degrees of warming.
@RasPesher Look back further. You will see that each interglacial period has variation in temp & CO2 going up and down but each temp/CO2 peak is higher than the next, then leads to an Ice Age. It happens every time.
That is what Warmers do is to narrow the view to just recent history. When you look at the big picture you will see that much higher CO2 levels have never lead to warming. The reasoning that the sun was less bright is bogus because a few percent cant explain no warming.
@Texmurphy51 "History shows EVERY warming phase has the same rise in CO2 as now. Look at the graphs"
WRONG again. I looked at the graphs produced from the ice core data and found that the CO2 level is much much higher now than any of the recent ice age/interglacial cycles from those records. You must have been looking at the graph upside down to think that. Just to clarfify 290 ppm is much much less than 390 ppm.
@Texmurphy51 "Why didnt CO2 drive the climate then as you claim it does now?"
Rather than use my volcano theory, I'll use yours, "volcanos don't warm because they create particulates as well as CO2. Net cooling" So according to you the Earth would not have gone into a cooling phase back when CO2 levels were much higher than they are now because the extra CO2 would have been balanced by particulates. I suspect that the volcanos may have also released albedo gases plus the sun output was lower.
@RasPesher Your Volcano theory is interesting but it is just that. You have to show massive activity during these specific times in history & explain where the CO2 went after that, plus why didnt the earth go into a heating phase with 14X more CO2 than now. Why didnt CO2 drive the climate then as you claim it does now?
The CO2 increase only matches FF sales for a short period of time. History shows EVERY warming phase has the same rise in CO2 as now. Look at the graphs.
@patsrule213 In 2010 the Sun went through a solar minimum. If temperature is primarily driven by the sun, the global average temperature for that year should have been at a corresponding minimum, but it wasn't. 2010 was a record or near record year.
The last 300 consecutive months have all been above the former average temperature determined from the last century. Yes, we have experienced global warming but it is not caused by a change in the output of the Sun.
RasPesher 1 month ago
@Howtheworldworks
There actually is global warming caused by the sun. It's called natural global warming. Again you can't say that global warming doesn't exist because the sun can cause global warming.
patsrule213 2 months ago
@RasPesher
Actually, there is global warming caused by the sun, it's called natural global warming. So don't say that global warming doesn't exist, it can come from the sun.
patsrule213 2 months ago
@Texmurphy51 "That is what Warmers do is to narrow the view to just recent history"
Sorry but I was responding to your comment. Trouble is there was no time in history that makes your claim correct. Furthermore going back to a time when CO2 was much higher than it is today does not yield "the same rise in CO2 as now" (certainly not for each and "every warming phase").
THIS IS WHAT DENIERS DO, THEY INVENT HISTORY!
RasPesher 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51 "When you look at the big picture you will see that much higher CO2 levels have never lead to warming" - FALSE again
The higher levels of CO2 in the past were at a time when global temperatures were 14 deg F higher than they are today. 14 deg F is a lot of warming. We are currently worried about a few degrees of warming.
RasPesher 7 months ago
@RasPesher Look back further. You will see that each interglacial period has variation in temp & CO2 going up and down but each temp/CO2 peak is higher than the next, then leads to an Ice Age. It happens every time.
That is what Warmers do is to narrow the view to just recent history. When you look at the big picture you will see that much higher CO2 levels have never lead to warming. The reasoning that the sun was less bright is bogus because a few percent cant explain no warming.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51 "History shows EVERY warming phase has the same rise in CO2 as now. Look at the graphs"
WRONG again. I looked at the graphs produced from the ice core data and found that the CO2 level is much much higher now than any of the recent ice age/interglacial cycles from those records. You must have been looking at the graph upside down to think that. Just to clarfify 290 ppm is much much less than 390 ppm.
RasPesher 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51 "Why didnt CO2 drive the climate then as you claim it does now?"
Rather than use my volcano theory, I'll use yours, "volcanos don't warm because they create particulates as well as CO2. Net cooling" So according to you the Earth would not have gone into a cooling phase back when CO2 levels were much higher than they are now because the extra CO2 would have been balanced by particulates. I suspect that the volcanos may have also released albedo gases plus the sun output was lower.
RasPesher 7 months ago
@RasPesher Your Volcano theory is interesting but it is just that. You have to show massive activity during these specific times in history & explain where the CO2 went after that, plus why didnt the earth go into a heating phase with 14X more CO2 than now. Why didnt CO2 drive the climate then as you claim it does now?
The CO2 increase only matches FF sales for a short period of time. History shows EVERY warming phase has the same rise in CO2 as now. Look at the graphs.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago