Remington Model 1858 New Army Police .36 cal revolver

Remington Model 1858 New Army Police .36 cal

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[bcubed72]

Nice revolver! I have the new army .44 cal version.

I was wondering what muzzle velocities you're getting? Read online the .44 can move up to 1000fps, possibly the .36's faster, but there doesn't seem to be much call to make something that un-aerodynamic go supersonic.

Also, does the lead ball expand in flesh, or does it need to hit bone? (Granted flesh is a pretty "hard" substance when approached at 700+ fps...)

[mag30th]

I haven't tested mine, but the Lyman black powder book claims that with 29 grains of G0 FFF the velocity is 1,097 FPS. Although they state the pressure with that load excessive, at 9,440 PUP PSI.

And no about hitting bone, just about everything I shoot these into I archive full expansion on impact. A lead ball in my opinion would be wicked to be struck with.

[scb0421]

I am a bit confussed by a comment made on the video. It seemed to imply that a round lead ball will expand in flight. The use of FMJ has nothing to do with the Hague convention. FMJ has a greater muzzle velocity, FMJ will over penitrate, going through the first guy and hitting the one behind him. It also protects bores from damage due to steel core or armor piercing rounds. And FMJ feeds better than JHP. That said, nice revolver. I have an 1851 Colt Sherrif model, but want to pick up a 1858 Rem.

[mag30th]

1 of 2 Thanks, I love shooting black powder more than anything else in my collection. Sorry, my error if I gave that impression. Solid pure lead projectiles will not expand in flight.

[cheftom57]

The whole point of shooting is to defeat the other guys army. Wounding removes a combatant from the fray, while imposing a burden on the force he belongs to. If you do not care for your wounded, it is very demoralizing to your troops. If you do try to deal with your wounded it slows down your force and costs manpower.

[mag30th]

Well said.

[CosmicDestroyer99]

@Ghstwn Then I stand corrected thank you sir

[Ghstwn]

@CosmicDestroyer99 Actually that's incorrect. Being that the lead ball is cylindrical and of low velocity, it begins to expand upon first contact with almost all it's weight intact. (Less a bone strike where it may may split a bit but not really fragment.) It leaves terrible shock trauma as evident in the civil war. A modern high velocity jacketed projectile will penetrate first,... then begin to expand. There tends to be more fragments, which are mostly from the copper jacket.

[CosmicDestroyer99]

It's been said a lead ball would make a homicide much harder cause the fragments expand and go everywhere..But still I love the 1858 especially with the 45LC conversion

[amberb57]

@WurledPeas I found that when I cast .44 caliber conical balls from wheel weight lead, they were too hard to push into the cylinder of my Remington with the rammer. I had to use pure lead for the conical balls to get them in the cylinder. I never tried round balls from wheel weight lead, but I would think that the narrower bearing surface would make the harder lead balls easier to ram into the cylinder. The wheel weight lead balls might give a little faster velocity.

[WurledPeas]

@amberb57 That's correct. And for muzzle loading I only go straight weights but for cast bullets with smokeless(45 acp. etc.) I'll either buy an alloy in ingots of varying hardness at the gun show or play with adding a little more tin for less bullet distortion on the feed ramps or less barrel leading.

I can't account for what others use or where they source their lead.

[amberb57]

@mark3smle I used to have a .44 Remington repro that I used the conical balls in, from a Lee mould. They worked pretty well in that gun. With a full load of 3F, it was almost as powerful as the black powder .45 Colt load.

[amberb57]

@WurledPeas If you're using standard wheel weights to cast lead balls, they'll be harder than pure lead. Almost all wheel weights have antimony in them to make them harder.

[lovesavacuum]

Nice video of a very effective weapon. I would recommend holding your off hand finger back further as it is getting pretty close to the cylinder gap. Ouch!

mike

[flamedrag18]

so how's the accuracy with this gun? to what range?

[StuPedassle711]

I'd rather be shot by a .380 auto than one of those things. A soft lead ball will fuck you up more than a jacketed bullet.