Response to Randy Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:7

Randy disagrees with Alan's assertion that it is the Holy Spirit who restrains evil; referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:7 ... and Alan agrees; Randy has a very solid point to make. However, Alan does not agree with Randy that it is Michael the Archangel who plays this role ... and explains why.

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[cornetcharlie]

As I am now teaching a class in Revelation this discussion is a very relevant one. Not only the question of 'he who with holds' in 2 Thess. but in matters pertaining to the "Day of the Lord" which will be initiated with Rev.6 as this man of sin is revealed. I am seeing more and more how 1 and 2 Thess. address awareness and preparation for the Day of the Lord.

[WatchAlan]

@cornetcharlie Check my Playlists, Charlie. Under "The Harpazo" there are more videos about @ Thessalonians 2. Also You'll see a Playlist where I cover the entire book of Revelation, verse by verse.

[WatchAlan]

@Aaronpodgorski There is no "last trump" in the Book of Revelation ... that phrase is only seen in Corinthians. The Mystery of God, as I understand it, is the dilemma of evil in the world; it will be done away with forevermore.

[Aaronpodgorski]

My question would be: Where do you find another last trump in Rev. and what mystery is it referring to in Rev. 10:7? Mainly I want to know your take on the Mystery of God being finished.

[WatchAlan]

@Aaronpodgorski Many people mistake the Trumpets in the Book of Revelation to be associated with the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians ... but the last trump is not "the Seventh Trumpet." Check out my video series titled "Be Watchful" ... the Feast of Trumpets represents God's Holy Appointment for the Harpazo and *this* is what the "last trump" refers to; the blowing of the shofar.

[Aaronpodgorski]

I appreciate what you are doing despite any disagreement we may have, we are brothers in Christ. Rev. 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 1Cor 15:51-52a Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. We have a mystery and the last trump in both verses. Any thoughts

[WatchAlan]

bodysupport - You got it. Look at Revelation 3:10 which says "I will keep you FROM the hour of trial ..." -- "from" is the Greek word "ek" which means "OUT of" (this is the Harpazo) and the "hour of trial" is referring to the Great Tribulation.

Note: Enoch was harpazo'ed BEFORE the flood ... just like the Called Out Ones will be harpazo'ed before the Great Tribulation.

[bodysupport]

Queenster2 - likewise in Revelation 4:1 it says "come up here". I believe this is a sign of the rapture. Keep in mind that in Revelation 2 and 3 the Church is still on the earth. In 4:1 we see "come up here" and now they are in heaven.

Also, back in Noah's day what happened to Enoch prior to the flood?. God took him.

[bodysupport]

Good video and I agree. A quick comment tho on the role of the Holy Spirit...

The Holy Spirit does convict the world of sin and evil:

John 16:8,9

And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me

So 2 Thes 2:7 does seem to be the Holy Spirit like you said.

Psalms 51:11

"Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. "

[WatchAlan]

Way to go. We should all be like the Bereans.

:o)

Acts 17:11

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.