"Why do Christians offend you?" (The Atheist Experience)

Jeff Dee offers a calm and measured response.

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[Nepycros]

@PumpedAaron Imma do stuff here for a moment. Don't mind me.

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[PumpedAaron]

@TheSamuraiGoomba ... these acts. Pigs carried harmful diseases back then, for instance, and they couldn't cook them off as well as we can now. The Apostle Paul also argues that the Deutronical laws and so on served as "seers" and were temporary guides, until Jesus ultimately showed up and ushered in an age of gaining oneness with Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

[PumpedAaron]

@TheSamuraiGoomba The pharisees make an argument to Jesus concerning divorce, citing an old law that states that you can divorce shamelessly with a certificate, but Jesus responds "Moses wrote this law because your hearts were hard." Yes, it is true that the Old Testament laws contained cruel punishments for doing, in our age, simple things, like wearing clothes with blends, or eating pork, but logically thinking about it, there must have been a serious risk involved in doing

[PumpedAaron]

@TheSamuraiGoomba ... and hate your enemy." But I say "Love you enemies. Bless those who curse you, do good to those who scorn you. For if you love your friends only, what more are you doing than others? Even pagans do that." Jesus takes a similar stance on an old law about murdering, and one about adultry, (which you cited, actually). The point is, Jesus gets at the -heart- of the matter, how we feel on the inside, not just the rituals we go through in our physical life.

[PumpedAaron]

@TheSamuraiGoomba Yes, Jesus -did- come to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and if you took a closer look, you'll notice that this completion actually made the Bible a more wholesome spiritual product! For instance, there are many sections, starting around Matthew 5, I believe, where Jesus would mention an old Law, and Jesus would say, "You have heard that the Law said such and such, but I tell you so and so." For instance, "You have heard that the Law said, "Love your neighbor

[TheSamuraiGoomba]

@PumpedAaron But jesus also said he didn't come to change the law, but to fulfill it. It's confusing. If we really can reduce his whole message to those two things, why don't Christians just take out every other page of awful rape, pillage and murder, not to mention threats of eternal hellfire and torture for thought crime, and simply posit the two commandments alone? Atheists would still take issue with loving God, but it would be much better than what the Bible says now.

[PumpedAaron]

@TheSamuraiGoomba

good. By the way, this is my 4th comment, and I accidently replied to myself on the 2nd comment, so you'll have to scroll around a bit for it. Sorry about that.

[PumpedAaron]

@TheSamuraiGoomba As for common sense, I'm sure you've heard of the Golden Rule, in the Bible, huh? "Do to others as you would have them do to you" ? And there's this other section in Jesus' life where He says that the laws of the Scriptures can be summarized as "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength," and the second is, "love your neigbor as yourself." So no, actually, I can and should be a Christian who can keep his common sense and be generally

[PumpedAaron]

@PumpedAaron Also, Jesus never simply said that you would -surely- go to hell for lusting over someone/thing, (essentially what many people do with porn) but He did state that it was just as much of a sin as actually committing adultry. Its the attitude of the heart that Jesus is getting at, here. If you go and read Jesus' advice, you'd see that He said that someone doing some evil deed was "in danger" of Hell. Not directly going there straight through. As for common sense...