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The Age of Stupid promotional clip from Brainstorming/Screening at the Curzon Soho, Sept 4th 08- Extinction Clip

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[Sandyhendry]

Sorry magnusea perhaps you can explain how there won't be a positive feedback scenario in the future and where should the "hot spot" be. From what I've read Siberian permafrost is already melting, releasing methane into the atmosphere. Isn't that a positive feedback taking place now? What science paper do you need to read? It is happening now.

[magnusea]

@Sandyhendry You ask me for papers proving that Earth has NOT had huge pos feedback (fb) during this conditions. No report shows it has. You also tell us "It is happening now". What is happening? IPCC AR4 states a hotspot which isn't there. AR4 text, links, and RC implicitly admitts it: tinyurl(DOT)com/2u36nby

Permafrost a pos fb among lots of neg and pos fb = a total pretty stable system, all historical data shows. Duane Froese (study in Science 2008) shows us that permafrost isn't a problem

[Sandyhendry]

@magnusea. It is thought that permafrost thawing could exacerbate global warming by releasing methane and other hydrocarbons, which are powerful greenhouse gases.[1] It also could encourage erosion because permafrost lends stability to barren Arctic slopes. Wikipedia. Not the best source. Perhaps you can request that the editors change it since you are such an expert.

[Sandyhendry]

@Muxxyy. I live in Asia and most governments here realize that they have to use alternative energy because their oil supplies won't be sufficient. Only the dinosaur U.S. is resisting this. Carbon emission caps proposed will actually be more generous for developing nations so you have it completely backwards. A tiny handful of scientists is deny climate change so you have that backwards too.

[Muxxyy]

@Sandyhendry there is a huge political and economical reason for it - crippling developing countries by putting carbon emission cap on them. oil companies do not fear for themselves, they're not going out of business any time soon because "green"energy is inefficient and expensive. as for scientists - it's only a tinny handful that supports the theory and it was born in 60/70ies to give "hope" to the masses because back then the political scare was a "global cooling / nearing ice age".

[Sandyhendry]

@Muxxyy. Just because the earth's climate warmed and cooled for various reasons not linked to industrial emissions in its history doesn't disproved the greenhouse effect. I don't see any political reason for so many scientists to make up findings on this issue. Oil companies, car companies and energy companies on the other hand have a motive for denying their responsbility. There is a giant spin machine that you are drawing all of your arguments from.

[Muxxyy]

@Sandyhendry thanks for being a doomsday prophet. in fact, have you ever heard of middle-age warmth period? it was the bloom of western civilization. the climate was so warm you could grow wineyards in britain. it was also when vikings discovered and settled in greenland (it was indeed "green" back then compared to today's icy horizon).

all this environmental crap is politics and i'm sorry to say - they've got you by the balls it seems. nice and tight.

i pitty you gullible ones...

[Sandyhendry]

@Muxxyy. A polar bear in a florida zoo. Quite a nice way of summing up the lives we are leaving our grandkids will be like if we selfishly do nothing. Thanks for that image.

[Muxxyy]

@Sandyhendry CO2 is not even the worst of greenhouse gasses. the amount of heat it retains is laughable compared to water vapour (which is a byproduct of many so-called "green" energy sources). and by primal life i didn't mean bacteria, but rather any living organism capable of photosynthesis. sorry about the confusion. as long as plantlife can survive, so can herbivores and so can you. you'd be surprised how adaptable animals are...haven't you seen polar bears at florida/california zoos? ;)

[Sandyhendry]

@Muxxyy. I'm not a primal life form and most of us couldn't exist in the climate of the early stages of the earth. Perhaps you could. There is actually a very narrow band of conditions that we can exist in and that is why we haven't found life on any planets yet. So you can sniff at a 1% increase in CO2 but don't assume that it can't trigger climate change, especially if it is in the atmosphere and stopping sunlight from escaping after it reflects off the earth's surface.

[Muxxyy]

@Sandyhendry so "preparing for the worst" is your idea of meaningful existence? charming. "this much" CO2 you're talking about is, in fact, less then 1% of all CO2 produced on the planet. if you heard otherwise - it's misinformation. 95% or more is produced by oceans and the rest by..well...life. it's what this planet is famous for. live things. and yes, CO2+warm climate=thriving plantlife. so even if global warming is real, it's not "bad" for primal forms of life in any way