Lie #50 We Had Better Be Careful Or People Might Abuse Grace

One of the 101 Lies Taught In Church Every Sunday. You can see the rest on my blog at www.gracewalkministries.blogspot.com or through my web site at www.gracewalk.org

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[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

Jude 1:4 warns us about people who would abuse and twist the message of Grace into something it is not, that is not a lie, that's the Bible speaking! "For certain men have crept in stealthily gaining entrance secretly by a side door. Their doom was predicted long ago, ungodly,impious, profane persons who pervert the grace the spiritual blessing and favor of our God into lawlessness and wantonness and immorality, and disown and deny our sole Master and Lord, Jesus Christ..."

[SteveMcVey]

I agree 100% and that's exactly what legalistic preaching does - twists God's grace so that it stops being about Jesus and His righteousness and becomes about man's self-righteousness. The indwelling Christ will cause us to live a godly lifestyle while the Law stimulates sin. (See Romans 7:4-5)

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

You still have a responsibility and you have to live morally and upright, that is New Testament for you! The New Testament gives guidance on how we should live, not for self-righteousness, but so that we may have greater impact on the world and to be a light to the world. We have to accept correction from God, not because of legalism, but because God loves us and wants the best for us! He does correct just as a father corrects a child, don't believe me? Well in the NT it says so in Hebrews!

[SteveMcVey]

What have I said that causes you to think I believe it's okay to live sinfully. Grace never does that in a person's life. As I said, living sinfully is "disgrace" not grace.

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

Yes, but the messages you have taught (I've listened to several of your videos) have made it as though we have no reposibility. That basically because of Grace we just walk through life and don't have to give our action a second thought and that you can't backslide. However that mind set that you and many other "hypergrace" ministers preach doesn;t truly line up with the entire Bible, to a degree it lines up with part of the NT but has gone a little extreem...

[SteveMcVey]

Our responsibility is to to focus on Christ (Col 3:1-3) and not ourselves or our sin. Set your mind on the things of the flesh and you'll reap the things of the flesh. Paul wrote that through the ABUNDANCE (hyper/an over-the-top amount) of grace, we will reign in life. The problem isn't too much grace in the church. It's too little. But this teaching does scare those who don't get it half to death. They're afraid it will cause sin because they don't understand it. (Titus 2:12)

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

For the time being no discipline brings joy, but seems grievous and painful; but afterwards it yields a peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it [a harvest of fruit which consists in righteousness--in conformity to God's will in purpose, thought, and action, resulting in right living and right standing with God]."

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

For the time being no discipline brings joy, but seems grievous and painful; but afterwards it yields a peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it [a harvest of fruit which consists in righteousness--in conformity to God's will in purpose, thought, and action, resulting in right living and right standing with God]." ... Interesting that the Word says that those who think they are exempt from correction are bastard children of God. I think God felt that living according

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

Moreover, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we yielded [to them] and respected [them for training us]. Shall we not much more cheerfully submit to the Father of spirits and so [truly] live? For [our earthly fathers] disciplined us for only a short period of time and chastised us as seemed proper and good to them; but He disciplines us for our certain good, that we may become sharers in His own holiness.

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

You must submit to and endure [correction] for discipline; God is dealing with you as with sons. For what son is there whom his father does not [thus] train and correct and discipline? Now if you are exempt from correction and left without discipline in which all [of God's children] share, then you are illegitimate offspring and not true sons [at all].

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

Hebrews 12:5-11

"And have you [completely] forgotten the divine word of appeal and encouragement in which you are reasoned with and addressed as sons? My son, do not think lightly or scorn to submit to the correction and discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage and give up and faint when you are reproved or corrected by Him; For the Lord corrects and disciplines everyone whom He loves, and He punishes, even scourges, every son whom He accepts and welcomes to His heart and cherishes.

[ImaDaughterOfYaHWeH]

This verse isn't talking about legalistic teaching. It is talking about those who would pervert the message of Grace into lawlessness! I know of many groups in this new "grace theology" who are doing that very thing! Many of them are involved in sexual sins and claim that because they are under God's grace they are ok because God will never leave them and they can never lose their salvation and so forth! They are using their freedom as a license to sin and that is not what Grace is about!