pt 5, New World Evidence for The Book of Mormon

Book of Mormon and Mesoamerican scholar Brant Gardner, discusses New World evidences for The Book of Mormon. There are several convergences of evidence which point to the authenticity of The Book of Mormon

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[fairldsorg]

To accomplish his purpose, he told of the belief (commonly held by Joseph Smith and other early Latter-day Saints involved in treasure hunting) that treasures can be moved about in the earth by their guardians. If this is the case, then who is to say where the plates were before Joseph and Oliver supposedly visited the cave? If they could truly be moved about, why not from Mexico, for example?

[fairldsorg]

There is, however, reason to suspect the veracity of the story. Brigham Young, generally cited as a source, recounted it during the conference at which the Farmington Stake was organized in 1877. In the same discourse, President Young preceded the cave story by an account of Porter Rockwell and others finding a cache of Nephite gold which slipped away from them. The purpose of the President's remarks was to dissuade the Latter-day Saints from prospecting for mines.

[MarcFuentos]

I thought his presentation was interesting until he started talking about Alma 24. You can't separate the religious implications from the story, which is what he is trying to do. I also don't read anywhere that the Anti-Nephi-Lehi's sent their sons to fight their Lamanite bretheren, many who were of the Order of Nehor. In fact, we just see from the text that the Amalekites and the Amulonites were angered that the ANLs would not fight back, so they decided to fight Nephites instead.

[robbiehammie]

This is great insight into the BofM. This just adds to my testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Thank you for this; really fascinating and inspiring.

[fairldsorg]

The stone box was there for years, but eventually was washed away where it has since disappeared.

In the Chicago Times Interviews David Whitmer August 1875 S.L. Herald, 12 Aug 1875, it is said:

"Three times he has been at the Hill Cumorah and seen the casket that contained the tablets and seerstone. Eventually the casket has been washed down to the foot of the hill, but it was to be seen when he last visited the historic place."

[imtherealthing]

Thanks...what of the Stone box then where the Gold plates were retrieved from on the Hill cumorah?..is it still there...what happened to it if it isn't?

What of the sword of Laban and the liahona as we understand it was also in the stone box along with the U and T. I heard the church still have these.

[fairldsorg]

The New York Hill Cumorah is a moraine laid down anciently by a glacier in motion. It is comprised of gravel and earth. Geologically, it is impossible for the hill to have a cave, and all those who have gone in search of the cave have come back empty-handed. If, therefore, the story attributed to Oliver Cowdery (by others) is true, then the visits to the cave perhaps represent visions, perhaps of some far distant hill, not physical events.

[fairldsorg]

(David Whitmer, Deseret Evening News, 16 August 1878), while others state it was in vision only. John Tvedtnes wrote this:

The story of the cave full of plates inside the Hill Cumorah in New York is often given as evidence that it is, indeed, the hill where Mormon hid the plates. Yorgason quotes one version of the story from Brigham Young and alludes to six others collected by Paul T. Smith. Unfortunately, none of the accounts is firsthand.

[fairldsorg]

Not necessarily. This "cave" seems to have been a repository for ancient records, and not something that Moroni translated or even carried around. They are not mentioned in the BOM text, and I believe it is safe to assume Moroni didn't carry them from place to place as he did the gold plates.

This "cave" could have been anywhere in the world. Some third hand statements say it was in Cumorah itself, but first had statements say that it was not in Cumorah

[imtherealthing]

I'm LDS and all this makes sense, but wasn't there OTHER records also buried in the Hill Cumorah?...he didn't just carry the gold plates...he would have to have carried a whole room full according to what we learn was in the hill cummorah and the sword of Laban and compass and brass plates and jaradite records, etc...how do we explain that if he wandered all that distance? I know of the theory of TWO hill cumorahs, yet where Jsoeph smith found the plates is where he said there were other records