Faith is not a virtue

Unless you think ignorance is a virtue, too.

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[HumanistWikitopian]

@TheCeejReturns

Dawkins knew exactly what he meant here before he said it.

He is saying that faith can be either, belief "in spite of" the lack of evidence (i.e. there is no evidence and the faithhead doesn't care as they do not feel that it is required), OR belief exactly because there is no evidence.

You appear to have confused and conflated the two.

In the former case, the faithhead's spite is directed towards the very notion that evidence is required in order to hold valid beliefs.

[HumanistWikitopian]

@TheCeejReturns

The religious have hijacked, and use the word, "faith" purely "BECAUSE OF" the requirements of circumstance B.

[databaseexpert]

Very well spoken.

[TheOkami1113]

I worship the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Even though "invisible" and "pink" are stark paradox, as long as I have FAITH that she exists, that's all I need to prove she's real and true. I'm an apologetic, who constantly defects any rational argument that makes my religion any more unreasonable.

[dannyrambo1]

why are you talking like amy fella fowler

[Trubripes]

Yup, there is more problem with how theists thing than what they "know".

[LMsoda]

Don't we have to have faith in reason?

[graceluvsyu]

i am loving this channel, filled with intelligent videos, with amazing arguments. i think i want to have this dudes kids.

[yamus9924]

@Okaruwazashi arguing against someone's specific beliefs is fine, but a line has to be drawn at generalizations; however much you disagree with the beliefs of a group of people disparaging the entire group (of possibly very intelligent) people is never smart, defensible or becoming. "Respect others, don't be a dick" saith the Lord ;)

[Okaruwazashi]

@yamus9924 Is it never acceptable to argue against the beliefs of another person?

[Meburningyou]

I am going to elaborate on this more in my own vblog, but I really doubt I will be as eloquent and as well versed. Very good perspective ZJ.

[yamus9924]

Agnostics FTW. Atheists talk down to others because they believe they have a higher understanding. Exactly like fundamentalist Christians. Can't you see why most people think you are an incredible douchenozzle? Agnostics believe we can't know, so we don't occupy ourselves with religious debates, yet we let others have their beliefs unhindered. That does not mean we don't have opinions on others beliefs but it means we allow others beliefs to coexist with ours. Upvote for understanding!