This work attempts to clear up the rampant confusion over what objective morality is, and again seeks to offer a solution to how Atheism, via the great philosophy of Objectivism, can ground objective morality.
@xst68 It's no better than what the theists are saying. Either you accept some basis as a brute fact and you can make an objective system of morality on top of that assumption or you question the assumption and you can never start with a groundwork for morality.
Whether you convince me of objectivism or nihilism it makes no difference to my behavior. It's all semantics to me at this point.
It is most definitely a non sequitur to say that because 1+1=3 is objectively factually wrong, lying by saying that that 1+1=3 is objectively morally wrong.
@rhettboy It is not a non sequitur it follows from your statement that 1+1=2 is objective. And the statement that "lying cannot be shown to be morally wrong". Where the comment popped up, you'll have to bitch to youtube.
I admit it is not an argument for the morality but it does argue the objectivity of lying being wrong. The morality would require more situational details. But as a general guide to you try "the boy who cried wolf".
@adolthitler Seriously? That's probably one of the biggest non-sequiturs I've ever seen. I sincerely hope you aren't seriously advancing that as an argument.
If you're someone trying to demonstrate how silly it is to try and apply objectivism to morality, congratulations on a job welll done.
@rhettboy 1+1 =3 is a lie. 1 +1 =2 and therefore lying is wrong objectively. The fact that you can choose to say the wrong thing or the right thing does not prevent the right thing from being objectively right and the wrong thing from being objectively wrong.
@Dhorpatan You've said that to me about 5 different times, yet you keep replying. Interesting, that. It's like you have to say it every so often in case you forget. Nevermind. You're arrogant so you're always right by default. Be bouyed by that I guess.
Making an observation, is not arrogance sparky. And you need to learn what an Ad Hominem is. Anyway, you've wasted enough of my time with your mentally deranged circles and empty declarations.
Wow. It's like I'm dealing with a mental patient. Seriously. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but you appear to have some serious mental problems Rhettboy.
@xst68 It's no better than what the theists are saying. Either you accept some basis as a brute fact and you can make an objective system of morality on top of that assumption or you question the assumption and you can never start with a groundwork for morality.
Whether you convince me of objectivism or nihilism it makes no difference to my behavior. It's all semantics to me at this point.
RuinSonic 3 weeks ago
So morality is objective IF morality is objective. Yup that really clears up the confusion genius.
xst68 1 month ago
It is most definitely a non sequitur to say that because 1+1=3 is objectively factually wrong, lying by saying that that 1+1=3 is objectively morally wrong.
rhettboy 1 month ago
@rhettboy It is not a non sequitur it follows from your statement that 1+1=2 is objective. And the statement that "lying cannot be shown to be morally wrong". Where the comment popped up, you'll have to bitch to youtube.
I admit it is not an argument for the morality but it does argue the objectivity of lying being wrong. The morality would require more situational details. But as a general guide to you try "the boy who cried wolf".
adolthitler 1 month ago
@adolthitler Seriously? That's probably one of the biggest non-sequiturs I've ever seen. I sincerely hope you aren't seriously advancing that as an argument.
If you're someone trying to demonstrate how silly it is to try and apply objectivism to morality, congratulations on a job welll done.
rhettboy 1 month ago
@rhettboy 1+1 =3 is a lie. 1 +1 =2 and therefore lying is wrong objectively. The fact that you can choose to say the wrong thing or the right thing does not prevent the right thing from being objectively right and the wrong thing from being objectively wrong.
adolthitler 1 month ago
@Dhorpatan You've said that to me about 5 different times, yet you keep replying. Interesting, that. It's like you have to say it every so often in case you forget. Nevermind. You're arrogant so you're always right by default. Be bouyed by that I guess.
rhettboy 1 month ago
@rhettboy
Making an observation, is not arrogance sparky. And you need to learn what an Ad Hominem is. Anyway, you've wasted enough of my time with your mentally deranged circles and empty declarations.
Dhorpatan 1 month ago
@Dhorpatan Your arrogance would be pretty offputting if it wasn't so damn amusing to watch you descend into ad hominems because of it.
rhettboy 1 month ago
@rhettboy
Wow. It's like I'm dealing with a mental patient. Seriously. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but you appear to have some serious mental problems Rhettboy.
Dhorpatan 1 month ago