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Was it possible for Jesus to sin?

John Piper says that Jesus was both capable and incapable of sinning. http://desiringGod.org.  
 
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8DX (1 day ago) Show Hide
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Very bad video. I find it wonderful however that today I can finally see through many arguments of theology.. Everything hangs on stipulating a "divine" or "supernatural" element to any situation and therefore allowing the philosopher to basically "make up" whatever he is trying to explain. Saying something is possible(naturally), yet impossible(supernaturally) defies logic. If it was impossible from some supernatural cause then in fact it would be impossible naturally as well. Jesus not human?
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I didn't say Dragons were not real. The evidence does not suggest it though. Utilise discernment and look at the literary style of 'myth' and compare it to the literary style of 'historical narrative' and you will see what i mean at a basic level.

Let's take a sec and go through why you believe what you believe. What is your basis for rejecting that a man cannot be raised from the dead outright?
Username2322 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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The exact same arguments I would use to reject that Harry Potter, Santa, Jesus, Dragons, Superman, and Zeus are not real. You can either universally come to the conclusion that magic does not exist or you can be like you, tentatively stating that you don't know if fire breathing dragons flew across the Himalayan mountains snatching virgins from Chinese and European civilizations. And that's because you think it's rational to accept absurd fantasies as evidence.
Revinius (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Ok, you are completely ignoring everything i am saying, thus making this conversation superfluous. You are ignoring the difference between the literary style of myth, which describes the aforementioned dragons etc and lumping it in with the literary style of historical narrative, which describes the actions of one Jesus of Nazareth. These styles are different and when studying ancient documents this has to be taken into account (please do not take your worldview and insert it into history).
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And what I am saying is that dragons are a part of historical culture in Europe and Asia. If you don't like dragons, perhaps you would satisfied with using the Iliad as a reference? There was possibly a city named Troy, battles possibly happened. How do you know Poseidon didn't punish Odysseus or that Achilles wasn't almost invincible? Because the way you know those are false is the same way I know the Bible is false.
Revinius (1 month ago) Show Hide
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And once again, you confuse the literary style 'epic poem' with the 'historical narrative' of the gospels. The gospels are not myth, for instance Luke makes very clear that he 'sought out all the witnesses to make sure of a true account'. He urges anyone who doubts his account to go ask these witnesses about it! These people were still alive, and attested to what they saw. Not only that, but the apostles, who knew Jesus best, willing went to their death for a resurrection they witnessed.
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Lot's of people died for silly beliefs, do the 9/11 terrorists' beliefs become true because they died for them? No. So why use such a stupid argument.

Did people REALLY believe the Iliad was true? Of course, it was their religion. You consider it myth now because you know it's not true. The EXACT same way I consider the bible myth. Because it's readily apparent from your inability to adequately defend it that there is no tangible, empirical, testable way to prove Jesus had magical properties.
Revinius (1 month ago) Show Hide
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sure, many people die for what they believe to be true. But noone i know of has ever died for what they know to be false. See, when it comes to choosing your life or some fabricated story, human nature always chooses life. The apostles who claimed to see and touch a physically resurrected Jesus, went to their graves maintaining that claim...

Illiad is myth, and i see no evidence of a Greek treating it as history like that of say, Herodotus. It is a fantastic tale, no more.
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you can't empirically test that you and I are having this conversation. So why should i believe this conversation is taking place? Because the reliable written account says it is. History is a valid form of knowledge, and it's not empirical knowledge.
Username2322 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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I agree, history is a form of knowledge. A form that is not nearly as powerful or conclusive as testable, empirical evidence. Nothing written in the bible would hold up in a court of law because it would be concluded to be hearsay, and therefore inadmissible. And yes, you can prove we are having this conversation, now you're just playing semantics. If you were to say we were having this conversation and the internet is connected by magic, it would be on par with your religious evidence.

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