Bruxy analyzing "facts" in Zeitgeist (Part 1)

Pastor Bruxy Cavey from "The Meeting House" looks into "facts" presented in the Internet movie Zeitgeist.

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[gusmif]

how can anyone, whose whole belief system, and life, is NOT based on facts, but blind "faith", argue about facts? how, in this day and age, do people still refute science in favour of having demons and gods explain everything in the universe? You're missing the point of the movie and trying to debunk it with pure semantics. so, I ask you. is the monetary system, the political system, religion, monarchies and the employee/employer/consumer roundabout really advancing mankind?

[Spattay]

@gusmif This is a very strange response. Science is not the only method of knowledge. Science cannot even prove the law of non-contradiction, which is the foundation it's based on. And Christianity is based on historical realities. Hundreds of people witnessed Jesus resurrected, and non-Christians even wrote about Him.

The real problem is people don't want to look into it themselves, because they've figured out their conclusions before they start looking, and that close mindedness is the danger

[gusmif]

@Spattay people worship the gods of their father and religions are generally localised, which is why you aren't a Sikh. left to your own devices, you wouldn't believe in god because there would be no reason to because it's irrelevant. you're conclusions are based on a freeze-dried, pre-packaged ideology that you've been indoctrinated with. we are all atheists. I just don't believe in one more god than you

[Spattay]

@gusmif My religion is hardly localized, I'm a Canadian following Jesus who was from the middle east. That's also a logical fallacy that you have used called the "Genetic Fallacy".

More importantly: God has put His law in our hearts. When you hear about the Holocaust you know it's wrong. Not just culturally, but wrong. Same with murder and rape.

You say I'm indoctrinated? I actually subscribe to Atheist blogs, and other religions sources to see what others say. Christ has changed me though :)

[singerhopeful311]

lol, guys! this is ridiculous! are you paying attention to what youre typing? if none of the facts in the movie are there, and thats why it says "broadly speaking", then how in the world is bruxy manipulating facts? he would simply be showing WHY its "broadly speaking" and how it can be misleading

[friendscanada]

It's not Christianity's fault that some of the people commenting here aren't able to make any kind of personal connection with God. They're probably really good at lots of other things - like ranting and arguing for example. :)

[beeeri]

Eyeofhorus

Great to see you doing some looking.  I think your name may give away your bias...

Bruxy Is saying that these theories that are being brought up now can be traced back to 100 years ago not that there aren't rooted in earlier writings. Also, the quote you had about the three days and nights you said was found in the first century which is what Bruxy says. It post-dates the events of Christ. just wanted to point out your own point.

[Homocystine]

Looser fat cat.....try to loose some weight first

[nwgs4nzfx2]

@ChiefClickClack Fair enough. I'm not a huge fan of Mr Joseph.

[ChiefClickClack]

@nwgs4nzfx2 No, I had questions, and I sought-out answers.......and I found one big answer: that the Zeitgeist documentary on religion is loaded with blatant lies.......trust me, I definitely think for myself.......I spend 100's and 1000's of hours seeking out the Truth.......I'm in the same boat as you with the same questions as you, and I'll be honest that I don't Know anything for sure, but I do Believe in certain things (just like you do), so why can't you respect that?

[nwgs4nzfx2]

@ChiefClickClack You mean, you started to ask questions that made you uncomfortable about your life choices, then, fearful that you might have to start thinking for yourself, ran back to the arms of big daddy religion where it feels nice and comfortable.

[touchdown261]

@touchdown261

[touchdown261]

Mr bruxy you are a fucking idiot. Religion is plainly bullshit, there were life before jesus and christianity and it was not what they are telling us today so you go do your research! jackass....

[EyeofHorus33]

See below for some citations which elucidate the idea that Pastor Bruxy Cavey is talking nonsense. At about 2:10 he claims that the makers of Zeitgeist "are betting on the fact that most of us are lazy when it comes to research." Well, I have undertaken extensive research and there is a wealth of credible scholarly and classical opinion to support many of the claims that the movie makes. See below for examples of how Pastor Cavey's opinions are refuted by evidence from "books" he wants u 2 read!

[EyeofHorus33]

There is also an established body of scholarly opinion which espouses the notion that the "Nativity Scene" of Jesus' birth, as described in the Gospel according to Luke, has its roots in much older, established Ancient Egyptian mythology. This is supported by reference to actual temple reliefs, historical artifacts which pre-date the mythology of Christianity by some 1,500 years. See the scholarly work of Egyptologists Dr. Samuel Clarke or Professor Barry J Kemp at Cambridge University!

[EyeofHorus33]

In the temple of Amun at the site of Luxor in Egypt appears a series of scenes depicting the divine birth of the pharaoh of the 18th Dynasty (c. 1570-1293 BC), Amenhotep/Amenhotpe or Amenophis III, who reigned during the 14th century BCE (c. 1390-c. 1352 BC). The Luxor "Nativity imagery" represents a significant artifact demonstrating important pre-Christian religious motifs evidently - later - incorporated into Christianity.