Portrait Of An Atheist: MotionFur

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[FlowCell]

What are your thoughts on late term abortions? Certainly, you must find it morally wrong if you have a respect for personality. I'm pretty much okay with abortion on demand up to the third trimester. If you've ever seen a premature baby, you know their is a point where abortion becomes a violation of a person's life. I may push my personal cutoff day earlier, only if it can be shown that brain activity exists prior to the third trimester. Brain activity seems like a good marker for personality.

[MotionFur]

Well, I'd say the violinist arguement presents some interesting ideas to this point. But, if I had to draw a line somewhere, to say that if women aren't at fatal risk for whatever reason, they shouldn't have abortions,I'd say the 3rd trimester is a decent time. Lots of things happen around there, including being able to sustain fetus' outside of the womb at about 22+ weeks with medical aid.

[hanzo138]

We need more atheist free market types. We don't need an intelligent designer for our economy for the same reason we don't need an intelligent designer for biology. I guess it doesn't help that everyone's view of the free market is based on fallacy and straw man arguments.

[MotionFur]

This is true. When people think of the term "free market" or "capitalism" they bring in so much baggage with their concept it's pretty much impossible to work with at times. Many people seem that they can't continue to step back and remove themselves from the situation to see the bigger picture.

[hanzo138]

I know and it confuses me how fellow "freethinkers" can hold such strong dogmatic views. Like when Agman started talking about economics my jaw hit the floor. None of it was based on any form of logic, and it seemed like it was based purely on emotion and not logical deduction. It was his (and Thunderf00t, and TJs) creationist moment. How do we reason with these people?

[MotionFur]

Well, part of the outreach will have to appeal to the emotional mechanisms that allow them to hold the views they do, and then otherwise clearing up the mud from their thinking by defining terms well and proving real world examples and reasoned arguments...

Easier said then done. :P

[FlowCell]

I think if their is a sensible cutoff point like your 22+ weeks (precluding health complications that necessitate abortion), you'd probably get a lot of "lifers" on board. I think what they object to most is abortion on demand, no exceptions.

Right now, it is virtually unrestricted, and those organizations who appose any and all restrictions site a slippery slope argument (a little restriction will eventually turn into a total ban), and I just don't buy that. It sensibility to much to ask?

[hanzo138]

That sounds rough, I knew I moved away from the creation/evolution debate for a reason!

[Cafeeine]

Hey, I've been gathering the portrait videos in a playlist as ppl are not all leaving them as replies to Agman. Have added you to the list.

[nlarrew614]

Abortion would be like anything else that has ever been outlawed. It's going to happen. While I personally am somewhat on the fence I see the moral objection. I lean somewhat more towards the pro-life idea that it's not the right thing to do. Your actions have consequences and I think that you're robbing something of a chance to live, however, I think in no way should you be forced at the point of a gun to suffer those consequences. Same is true for any prohibition.