Compassion and Attachment

0ThouArtThat0's QuickCapture Video - November 23, 2008, 10:23 PM

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[patternsinchaos]

We shared a drink here.... Thanks to a comment that hepdot left on rybot9000's channel and him putting this vid in his "study" playlist. These details are keys... young master...

I will answer this question for you soon.

[0ThouArtThat0]

lol very perceptive. Well, I guess I'm wearing the evidence.

[dreaminginnoother]

non-attachment makes sense in that you do not want to become so attached to ideas, people, things, etc. that your happiness relies on them. That is not to say you cannot go out and experience the world or that you will be void of emotion, but the stillness within is so strong that the emotion does not overwhelm or sway your being into irrational action. You can see life for more of the game/joke/movie it really is.

[0ThouArtThat0]

yeah, life is a play... but i think compassion arises when we see that others have taken their character so seriously that they've forgotten what happens after the curtain is drawn. the danger is that we, in trying to help, also begin to take ourselves too seriously... i don't know that there is a verbalizable solution to this issue!

[dreaminginnoother]

Mourning loss, especially of people, is a natural process and is one that will negatively effect your body if you try to suppress it. Pain of loss of a loved one is like pain of injury to the body, but in a more subtle realm. In both cases you observe the emotional or physical reactions a your body has and move through them. You do not want to spend your life mourning, but thinking that you must not mourn is itself an attachment to an ideal that is really not very plausible.

[0ThouArtThat0]

right! it is a precarious balance we must find!

[Togetherness8]

I agree that true enlightenment comes from loving connection to other individuals in the world, which also connects us to the spiritual reality of love and goodness, which is the source of enlightened truth understanding, as flame is the source of light. We can contact our own core only by deeply caring about, and unselfishly serving, other individuals, because our true heart core, our real self, is a relational being, whereas the separate, self-absorbed, ego is an illusion,a false sense of self

[alovelytime]

me too.

to transcend ourselves, through compassion for the universe and its beings, may be the meaning of enlightenment.

[ICharmaine]

I believe enlightenment to be more of a connectedness to the world, rather than a transcendence away from the world.

[notonewhit]

At the end you reduced your concern for others to your concern for yourself: this is what Kant would call pathological motivation. It refers to how one's charity for others may hide the private servicing of one's own ego-maniacal strivings. (Also see Melebranche take on story of Christ)

[AshleyRickards]

If enlightenment is transcendence of this world, then its an obvious conclusion that one who is enlightened would not have compassion or attachment. But I think there is an in between here. A state were a person can acknowledge that we are all one and yet we all transcend. But in the very biology of our bodies, we are designed to need others to further our development. This show to me that we may be transcending the world but in our time on earth, our purpose must be to attach and love.

[VvidEye]

I've never heard that enlightenment is to transcend the world...

kinda like how birds transcend their need for legs for walking/running.

You like hearing yourself talk, eh?

[o0JustNobody0o]

Enlightenment can mean many things. Just because you "transcend" doesn't mean you have to cut off ties, that is your choice. You can be moving and complete at the same time. Most people aren't inbetween though in the suffering/pleasure thing. The only exit you are going to have in this world is death. Everyone appears human not that they aren't more; that is all you know. I like mastery of life/reality, what else can consciousness be? If you just go with the flow, you might as well be a rock.

[patternsinchaos]

It's very rare for me to look at one of your videos when I have a glass of wine, which sometimes I go several months without... so yeah... hope my offering provides you with an alternative.

:-)