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I really dont understand people who always say "A grappler would win" blah blah blah. Striking vs. Grappling. They keep comparing apples to oranges. Look at mma or any street fight, both skills are essential. Also in a street fight, you dont need BJJ or kickboxing or whatever: most opponents in a streetfight dont know how to fight for s***.
a good example woud be Judo and BJJ. 80 percent the same art, simply modified. well, a ballpark figure to make the point. Also most people imagine Judo´s throws, which goes to show what competition training can do. Of course, judo still uses holds even in competition. so they didn´t suffer as big a loss.
grapplers always have the advantage but that´s not the full story. In the 20th century, striking competitions programmed competitors to fight a certain way. A karate ka without supplemental training can still do well. He´d only have to modify what´s already in the art. And only modify it slightly from its original source, but away from what point, and even contact competition does.
Striking competitions are a lot like boxing. It restricts the fighters from using grabs, ect.
except thats not true. It´s not useless by any means. The only time it´d be useless would be if you were doing a competitive match, had someone not trained to be ready for it, and started the match close enough to tackle, but it couldn´t be too close. Honestly your exaggerating a lot. Theres really too much to touch on as to why you are wrong. I´d need to explain about four other topics to explain it all to you.
Kyokunshinkai karate guys are some of the toughest martial artists in the world. One can't help but be in awe of their skill and spirit. Same with Shidokan fighter. Some with Muay Thai guys (more versatile - though many K karate guys compete in Muay Thai). But in one on one they usually lose against grapplers because grapplers always find a way to close the distance. I have yet to see ONE match where a pure striker avoided a take down.
its been bothering me all day. I should have phrased it differently.
That isn´t a disqualifier for usefulnes or that isn´t a qualifier for uselessness.
you keep thinking in terms of competition. and thats only a recent thing to happen in MA, at least with eastern systems. competition for the sake of itself. You have to take into account that no one is a full time athelete like competition professionals. And most people have to quit MA for years on end. which is why kata is good.
less than half of martial arts came from militaries, the larger part came from the military ones that were taught mostly to upper class people ect.
this amounts to soldier, and policeman training by modern standards. that´s why karate is still useful.
secondly, karate was always a rather patchwork system. Look at gosoku ryu, that has so many combinations and still counts as karate. Karate almost just amounted to fighting skills.
most karate-ka, not sure what term to use, masters, great teachers, whatever, cross trained in various karate styles. most of the great teachers from japan did also, from judo to jujutsu to kendo ect.
so by itself, karate is useful. and there´s nothing stopping someone, later on, trying something else.
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In the 20th century, striking competitions programmed competitors to fight a certain way. A karate ka without supplemental training can still do well. He´d only have to modify what´s already in the art. And only modify it slightly from its original source, but away from what point, and even contact competition does.
Striking competitions are a lot like boxing. It restricts the fighters from using grabs, ect.
That isn´t a disqualifier for usefulnes or that isn´t a qualifier for uselessness.
you keep thinking in terms of competition. and thats only a recent thing to happen in MA, at least with eastern systems. competition for the sake of itself. You have to take into account that no one is a full time athelete like competition professionals. And most people have to quit MA for years on end. which is why kata is good.
less than half of martial arts came from militaries, the larger part came from the military ones that were taught mostly to upper class people ect.
this amounts to soldier, and policeman training by modern standards. that´s why karate is still useful.
secondly, karate was always a rather patchwork system. Look at gosoku ryu, that has so many combinations and still counts as karate. Karate almost just amounted to fighting skills.
so by itself, karate is useful. and there´s nothing stopping someone, later on, trying something else.