Lou Dobbs Vs Luis Gutierrez Live Chicago Nov 28, 2007

Luis Gutierrez met live with Lou Dobbs While Lou was in Chicago to debate immigration, the STRIVE act and amnesty for illegal aliens. November 28, 2007

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[josecitoperecito]

@Cosmo1093 Europe has developed a single market and currency, this allows the free movement of people and goods without internal border controls among the 25 European countries, but strict border control to non members, if countries in North, Central and South America would develop something similar, probably the need to immigrate would decrease, some border states in Mexico have been have switched to the US currency, and many don't need to immigrate, since they are trading in US dollars..

[josecitoperecito]

@Cosmo1093 Numbers will be in dispute, other independent research centers are saying that the number of illegal population is sharply in decline since 2005, even HS officials are highlighting the decline, probably for political purposes, who knows, but the decline could be related to other factors, the 2010 census would provide more specific and recent data. This census would also provide an idea of a new direction in the political ground and immigration, legal and illegal. We'll see.

[Cosmo1093]

@josecitoperecito It is because of the individual country's strict laws and the locations of the individual countries within the EU. For example, France made it illegal to help an illegal in any form, even by providing shelter. Italy cracked down on illegals last year. Britain has an illegal immigration problem even though it is quite a bit harder to reach simply due its location. Greece has major illegal immigration problems because its proximity to Turkey, which does nothing to stop illegals.

[Cosmo1093]

@josecitoperecito Well an estimated 100,000 fled Arizona, so that is quite good for them....but bad for neighboring states. I agree that it needs to be a joint federal-state effort, but certain sanctuary cities or states would likely find some reason to file lawsuits or simply disregard the effort altogether.

Illegal immigration levels have been rising for the past 5-7 years, so having a record deportation number just seems fitting..but it still is not even close to being enough.

[josecitoperecito]

@Cosmo1093 Also the federal government has been doing something in this regard, they have the highest record of deportation in a fiscal year, and the Arizona State alone has been doing their job too, even before SB1070, is just that someone with a different ideology wanted to take matters into their own hands, and do it their way. Again, there are some examples of dealing with illegal immigration, the European Union is one of them, they are pretty good at some social issues like this.

[josecitoperecito]

@Cosmo1093 I really don't think it worked, the main idea from the sponsors was to find legal ways to kick them out, and nearly half a million "illegals" remain in the state, other just moved out to other less hostile States, to say that is a win for Arizona, is like saying illegals got citizenship overnight, the issue requires a more stealth approach, a large scale federal and state combined law and more common sense, altogether can reduce the influx and fix the status of potential legal ones.

[Cosmo1093]

@josecitoperecito Of course SB1070 failed, it was never even allowed to be enforced. I'll be honest, the fear clearly worked, considering it got illegals to voluntarily self-deport, flee, or whatever. Regardless, that is a win for Arizona, as it (partially) achieved the goal of getting rid of illegals..

Well, unless the federal government decides to do something to end illegal immigration, this is how the problem has to be solved. When the fed fails to do its part, it becomes the states' jobs.

[josecitoperecito]

@Cosmo1093 It sounds to me like you acknowledged the fact that SB1070 attempted to help uphold the current federal law, but failed. In legal terms, this law caused only fear, but nothing extensive has been achieved. There is a strange conflict there between two parties, Feds vs. State officials, one being oblivious and reluctant to the existing laws, the other being extreme and hostile with new ones. This way, the problem will never be solved.

[Cosmo1093]

@josecitoperecito Because it allows law enforcement to help uphold the existing federal laws, which the federal government refuses to do. It's not "fixing" any laws, it merely attempts to uphold them.

[josecitoperecito]

@Cosmo1093 If laws shouldn't be fixed and they are there, then why make new ones like SB1070?