Russia, Socialism, and Revolution

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[ClevelandFIST]

The Ukrainian's in Cleveland are often fascists. The John Birch Society of cleveland is full of Ukrainian exiles, who's families left the country, when their ability to get fat off of the peasants was taken away.

The Ukrianian exiles whine about the "ukrainian' holocaust, because they got kicked out of their country, for supporting the real holocaust, by aiding the Nazis in attempting to overthrow socialism.

Ukraine has loads of communists.

All the bourgeois pigs have come to the U.S.

[ClevelandFIST]

Is it these "improvements" that cause 50% of the worlds internet pornography to be made in the former USSR?

Women once had education, full employment, and healthcare.

Now, to survive, they must pose for porn.

I know a lot of people from the former USSR, who can't even so much as see a doctor when they are sick anymore since the collapse, who would love to talk with you.

The Ukrianian Americans who came here in the 1930s, are mostly fascist rebels and former kulaks who lost power....

[jessicafischerqueen]

The Soviet Union murdered more people than Nazi Germany. Millions more. State sponsored murder of their own people.

[americanmaoist]

awesome

[barron8006]

@ClevelandFIST

Fascist is a little harsh. I'm thinking fat, dumb and religiously apocalyptic might be better. I remember I was flirting with a Ukranian woman and she was complaining about all the Ukranian-American grannies trying to set her up with their grandsons for marriage. She thought that Ukraine has come a long way since the 30s.

[barron8006]

@grnt25 Ukraine's short boom was built on housing speculation and easy credit, just like the U.S. I assure you those shiny stores are gone and GDP is in a free fall, now that Western credit has dried up. The "growth" was completely unstastainable.

[barron8006]

@grnt25 you're right, there weren't any emergency services left in 91. Gorbachev's well-meaning, but ill-conceived reforms had caused GDP to plummet by 25 percent. As shortages accumulated, the highly interdependent command economy started to collapse as individual oblasts horded food and supplies. It was the only time a technologically, industrial society crumbled without a major war. It was frightening and could happen here if oil ran out.

[barron8006]

The Lancet came out with figures of E. Europe after 1989, and more people died from poverty since then then in the famine.

I noticed the U.N. called the famine a famine, not a genocide. Those 19 governments you mentioned are all retro-E. Euro governments (undemocratic), and as you should know, the EU "parliament" has an unelected rotating government. Which former E. Euro aristocrat was sitting on the presidency when that ahistorical bill was passed?

[barron8006]

@grnt25 By today's standards that crime was petty, but aggregated, actions like your grandpa's refusal to give up his cow, and low-end lifestyle was causing the country to stagnate along its 3rd world lines.

It's unlikely your grandpa would have had any farmland if not for the revolution, most E. Euro peasants were day laborers. In any event wealthier farmers would have bought his land and taken his sacred cow away.

The whole Soviet experiment was a tragedy, and in hind sight, had no chance.

[soakchips]

Many Ukrainians and other Soviet nationalities starved to death during the Stalinist collectivization of agriculture.

Many Ukrainian workers and peasants who are not bourgeois at all understandably but mistakenly associate Stalinism with socialism.

By mislabeling all Ukrainian-Americans in such terms, you ruin any chance of winning Ukrainian-American workers over to socialism. Their past experiences with a repressive bureaucracy do not necessarily prevent them from becoming class-conscious.

[grnt25]

How could they support Nazis occupation of Ukraine if they have immigrated in 1930's?

In 1991, I was in car accident - eight broken bones, torn internal organs - pretty bad. It was a middle of January, only few month from collapse of en Evil Empire. There was no emergency services available, everything was spent on the military, I was put on a flat bed of a passing by truck and driven to three different hospitals. The 1st two refused to accept me.

[EasyEs]

Sorry to hear about your Grandfather..It is always refreshing to see how quickly the true colors of communist comes out, for the simple crime of owing a cow or goat for milk..