The Matt/Matt Debate - Part 1: Introduction

Matt Slick calls in to "The Atheist Experience":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb1mfKJU6bo

For parts 2, 3 and 4 click here:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C494E2C093CDF2E1

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[AlexanderDGraham]

I have never seen alogical fallacy in the "freewill v. God's knowledge" argument. I think it is pretty air tight. If somebody could explain to me what I am missing I would be thrilled to listen. Who knows, maybe I am just an idiot.

[TheoreticalBullshit]

@AlexanderDGraham I have another video called "Omni vs. Omni!" in which I explain my problem with it a little, and how I think it can be improved (or replaced).

[matt0198922]

It's almost as if you're saying that the "better" (more persuasive) arguments are the ones that aren't all about technical logic, but rather ones that appeal to emotions. Appealing to emotions is one of the most annoying creationist/theist tactics out there. Atheists are all about logic and reasoning. Which, yes, does sometimes mean getting technical. So I fail to see the problem with the "omniscience vs free will" argument. It's as legitimate as any other, in my opinion.

[TheoreticalBullshit]

I don't say that the Omniscience/Freewill argument is a "gotcha" argument just because it uses logic (as opposed to emotion?), but because it uses *flawed* logic, predicated on fuzzy definitions (not unlike TAG). I've made a video on this called "Omni VS. Omni!" and you're welcome to check it out.

[Jengelhardt2012]

So instead of defending your position on a global flood, you instead opted for criticizing me right away? By completely strawmannirg views that we haven't even established that I hold. So please can you explain to me how me simply stating that their was no flood somehow brands me an "evolutionist" and atheist in your eyes? Because I don't see how you can follow logically from that

[Jengelhardt2012]

The reason why, I hold their is no flood because. It's not only both genetically impossible to repopulate the planet with two of every species. I certainly hope you know why. Also their no geological evidence at all. And I don't have to be Certain their is "No Flood' Your making the claim that their was a flood. THe burden of proof lies with you....not me.

[stallion4life]

I'm a Christian, but I can't disagree with anything here. I wish more atheists were as respectful and intelligent as you are, most just try to hector Christians into acquiescence.

[FoldedTapestry]

This is EXACTLY how I feel about TAG. It's nonsense, it delves into the deepest possible abstract definitions. It's more about giving the Theist viewer a sense of relax and new confidence at watching any Atheist have a moment of confusion, solely because the argument is so intricate in it's bullshit, and it always starts with immensely leading questions.

[theoseans]

To be convinced isn't to be real. So it goes to: what it does for or to you. This isn't a matter of reality. But to the world you live inside your self. If it makes you happy in any sort then we tend to let it be and enjoy. What wrong with that? Well we live in reality, most of us. So if we take in our "self world" an unreal belief then we can't expect a real world life. This is a conflict of reality or a real, as we know it, lie.

[ugasziz]

basically two years later and you have around 25 thousand years... so I guess you'll have 14 thousand subscibers in 2012 and 17 more subscibers in 2013 and so on...

way to go scott

[ugasziz]

scott you give me mind orgasms. You make so much sense...

[aem12684]

What would you say to someone who claimed that you denied Christianity and converted to Atheism as an excuse to do whatever you want [to sin and get away with it], whether subconsciously or intentionally? That is one accusation against me...

[okuradani]

Excellent observation and analysis of "gotcha" TKO agruments. Even when Slick throws out logical gymnastics that I'm unable to refute on the spot, my gut always tells me, "This is extreme manure..."

[baldurus1]

Which mind is god a concept of? If god is the absolute absolute, wouldn't god have to be the concept of a mind?

[M3t4lManiac]

@AlexanderDGraham Nope, there is no holes in it. God is omniscient, he knows all that has been, is, and is to come, ergo everything is set, there is no room for choice and the judgement passed on you when you die is therefore unjust. So either God is unjust or he is not omniscient.