Keith Olbermann was WROOOOOOOOOOOONG

Affordability credits only reference the subsidized premiums given to those under 400% of the FPL. H.R. 3200 does not include any language or enforcement related to illegal aliens joining the public option and receiving coverage. They would be responsible for paying 100% of their (still indirectly subsidized) premiums but they could still get non-emergency care that would often exceed premiums paid in AND nobody has addressed the issue of proof of ID at time of service for non-emergency care. One public option enrollee could mean 2, 5, 7, 10 or more people actually getting care.

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[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

What he's saying is, making it so that Illegal's can't get subsidized health care is not enough. According to the republican amendment, they want it so they can't BUY insurance with money that they earned by cleaning up our shit.

[loneredseat]

No, what he's saying is that the bill excludes illegal aliens from subsidies which it clearly does not. It precludes them from having their premiums subsidized. The PHO is still funded by subsidies and premiums. Are you recommending cutting off the care of illegals once they use up the small premiums they pay in? That they cannot exceed the money put in? Is that it?

[robertmike57]

And just how was Olbermann wrong? Shows racist peckerhead Wilson was a liar.

[loneredseat]

Where's the lie? Point it out. I'll even restate above....the bill excludes illegal aliens from subsidies of their premiums. It DOES NOT exclude them from participating in the PHO which itself is subsidized. Billions and eventually trillions of taxpayer dollars are going to go to pay for the health insurance of Americans and, according to the Presidents' figure, 10+ million illegal aliens. Why not just simply state that proof of residency must be shown when seeking non-emergency care?

[robertmike57]

So Obama was telling the truth, the bill wasn't covering illegals. While the PHO is able to lower health insurance costs through it's size and competition, it is not actually costing tax dollars.

Proof of residency wouldn't stop illegals, they have that getting jobs already from employers. Employers are hardly ever penalized even when caught hiring massive number of illegals, courtesy of Republicans protecting businesses.

[loneredseat]

I doubt there is enough space to tend to all your misstatements here. How does the government create an insurance company (employees, desks, computers, buildings, pens, paper, copy machines, lightbulbs etc., etc., etc.) without government money? Ridiculous. They then claim that once the government corporation is setup, they can compete to lower OUR health care costs. That won't happen but even if it did, that doesn't change their cost of administering the gov't company. THEN the benefits!!!

[loneredseat]

I'm not quite sure what your next point is supposed to mean. Require proof of id at the point when non-emergency care is sought with penalty's for providers who don't. Done. Problem solved. And I think, but it just can't be, that you are blaming Republicans for not enforcing immigration laws. You might want to tell the Hispanic voting block who voted overwhelmingly for Obama out of concern the Repubs would overreach on immigration. This is a good discussion but please use facts.

[finyank13]

process legally to become citizens, and are willing to pay taxes. And dont come at me like, "how do you plan on that working". I just explained, it is called asset reallocation;take from take which does not work, and give to something that does to eliminate this major problem we have......

[finyank13]

Here is an idea, funnel all monies away from ACORN which is around 8 billion dollars, and create fraud enforcement units that work in conjunction with ICE, to investigate, find, arrest, and deport any and all ILLEGAL aliens and replace with them aliens who are going through the

[risox]

What you're saying is an interesting debate worth having but it is not related to either the House plan or Rep. Wilson's outburst or Olbermann's 'Special (inaccurate) Comment'. Keith Olbermann ranted that Rep. Wilson was WROOOOOONG when he is, in fact, correct. The slew of plans being debated now (excluding Sen. Baucus' which I haven't read yet) all allow for illegal alien participation in the PHO. President Obama was not being truthful when he said that last Wednesday.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

I'm suggesting that any amendment, like the one sponsored by republicans, that makes Illegals unable to PURCHASE insurance, is not only counter-productive, is actually contradictory to the "Conservative" way. Because if they can't BUY insurance, they'll just get free care at the ER, which will raise taxes on everybody else.

I understand not wanting to get free insurance, but not letting them purchase a plan is idiotic.