Following on from my video 'Atheists are immoral - debunked', I have an answer to fundamentalists who tell me that atheists have no beliefs and no purpose in life. I have both, and here they are.
Since this was posted, one of my subscribers has suggested a few amendements, which I heartily endorse:
1) "Not because I am told to, or afraid of being punished if I don't, but because I desire others to be honest and compassionate towards me."
3) I believe everyone has a right to freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, and freedom from religion.
7) I will not fill gaps in knowledge with speculation or blind belief.
All much better than my original.
(Music: 'Blackwaterside' by Fotheringay)
Love the version of Blackwaterside..fairport convention?
Quelqueshue 2 weeks ago
Devout theists also frothed at the mouth when faced with the notion that actually, we aren't the centre of the universe at all, that the sun does NOT orbit the Earth. Same thing happened, didn't take too long for science to prove this (not sure how many scholarly star-gazers and truth-seekers were also cooked before their work was finally accepted, religion sure has made many martyrs outta past visionaries..)
I'm quite sure you can see the point I'm making.
trouzerpants 1 month ago
BTW - People scoffed when first hearing "bunkum" of the Earth not being flat (many religious zealots called it "heresy", burning those at the stake for suggesting it) until incontrovertible scientific evidence was finally produced to validate this fact. You may scoff at Hawking's "bunkum" (as all religious zealots do) whereas the rest of us recognise him for what he is, today's Einstein. He doesn't "cow me", on the contrary, he inspires me with his extraordinary, visionary genius.
trouzerpants 1 month ago
Anyway, it'll all be solved when CERN finally discovers the exact location of the Higgs Boson (aka the "God Particle.")
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@Sickopath333
Well, that's one way of puttin' it!!!
Not sure now if Prof Hawking's gonna keep you on his Xmas card list..
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@trouzerpants So your point is that the best Hawking's can do with all of his genius is push back the idea of our universe having a finite starting point in the past with unexplained origin into an infinite loop with unexplained origin? It's perfectly fine to give a person the respect they deserve, but if their ideas are bunk you don't let yourself be cowed by their reputation or intellect. He's radically biased against God it's not surprising he desperately seeks an alternative.
Sickopath333 1 month ago
@Sickopath333
Yeah, it's analogous to the chicken and the egg...
Listen mate, seriously, to even allude to Hawking's lack of discernment is utter insanity. This man (though crippled, living life in a wheelchair) is a genius of science.
Ask any scientist..
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@trouzerpants Let's just assume that the universe continually loops in on itself. That gravity and the energy in the universe is just perfectly balanced that one will not overpower the other so it keeps expanding and contracting over and over. It still does not answer the issue of where the original matter for this system would have arisen from. They are just imposing an infinite retraction into the past with no starting point. Genius is no guarantee against mistakes/stupidity.
Sickopath333 1 month ago
That list of values or moral principles is certainly more useful than the 10 Commandments. My credo, if I were to state it, would sound much the same and I think you are right that most Western atheists would find common cause with it too.
However these are very much the secular values of a 21st Century Westerner. There is nothing inherent in atheism that entails this particular set of values.
hardpawn 1 month ago