Sam Harris: Bible/Koran are the work of God?
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@j919or That would be true if we could in fact learn from god. But if humans write a book and say it's the word of god, then I'm just reading a human system, written by humans who did not create me.
It all comes down to the fact that there's no evidence that the Bible is the word of god. And there's not even an indication that the Bible required divine authorship. There is not one sentence in the Bible that couldn't have been thought up by an iron age Arab.
ninjajesus81 3 days ago
@ninjajesus81 Nah. Those that think they are smart arent open to learn from God and so they think that Gods systems are backwards. They dont realize that God made their minds and so how can the created be wiser than the creator?
j919or 3 days ago
@DupersFucker ""Faith is believing and seeing""
This is the crux of it all. Know that faith IS the evidence just as your eyes are the evidence that there is light and things have color. Faith in the spiritual life that enables us to perceive God. Without those spiritual eyes everything else is darkness and makes no sense but with those spiritual eyes all other things take shape, and make sense.
j919or 4 days ago
@DupersFucker So god only lets stupid people know he exists, and then the smart people have to rely on stupid people to give us the facts.
What a backwards system that is.
ninjajesus81 1 week ago
@ninjajesus81 Faith is unseen. Science is seeing is believing but Faith is believing and seeing. God forsakes the so called intelligentsia but recognizes the fools who are chosen to be wise and simple.
DupersFucker 1 week ago
@DupersFucker Prove it.
ninjajesus81 2 weeks ago
@ninjajesus81 You are right and your comments are scientific and logic. The whole universe is meticulously designed by a wise force and we call it "God".
DupersFucker 2 weeks ago
@ninjajesus81
NEVER did I say there was a rule "something can't move on its own." That is a misreading or intentional error or caricatore of the unmoved mover argument, which you can't seem to understand. Quantum mechanics makes no claims about infinite regressions, since the object of study is different. Cosmology is not opposed to formal logic, since both are geared to truth. There is no escaping the logic that you can't grasp ... if you do grasp, explain the argument back to me. OK?
patientthomist 2 months ago
@patientthomist You're saying the universe couldn't have started moving on its own, so to explain why it's moving, you have to insert a magical thing that can break the rule that you created: "something can't move on its own".
Instead of admitting maybe you don't know enough about quantum mechanics and cosmology to say for sure that the universe can't begin moving on its own, you have to insert something magical into the equation, which just causes more questions than it answers.
ninjajesus81 2 months ago