Re: Eternal Jesus?

"Within the one being that is God, there exists eternally three coequal and coeternal persons, namely, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

The Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit.They are all part of the being of God, but are distinctive persons within that being.

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[longfootbuddy]

first of all, how is the spirit distiquished from god? it seems to me that god and the spirit are exactly the same, so why not just say god...secondly , the bible says that god was the word and the word was god, which is kind of an unnecessary way of saying thats gods word comes from god..."the word became flesh" .. the word..BECAME flesh...thats an unnecessary way of saying jesus spoke the word of god in the flesh , as a man...he was a man......i see no reason to talk of trinities

[StutteringDave]

The Spirit is God. He is distinguished from God the Father. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God.

You left out one crucial part of the beginning of the book of John. It states that the word was WITH God, and the word was God. It identifies the word as something that had existed eternally alongside God, in addition to being God. This is describing the eternal relationship between God the Father and God the Son. They are both God, and yet distinct from one another.

[longfootbuddy]

@StutteringDave i dont agree, if jesus was god, why would he be praying to god and ...oh , nevermind, i dont really want to do the trinity argument... ill just believe god is god and jesus did and said god's will, and you can believe in a trinity, and well all be peachy

[StutteringDave]

@longfootbuddy

Jesus, God's Eternally Begotten Son, was pray to the eternal Father. The trinity consists of one God in three persons, or centers of consciousness. The consciousness of the Son was praying to he consciousness of the Father.

[swantonbomber3]

lOL Your House jULY 27 2008 Still Looks The Same July 9th 2009 Lol Even the Stand Still In The Exact Same Spot. :P

[smpolymen]

"If God were to...destroying evil."

So why didn't he? Noah wasn't that good of a guy was he? Right after the flood, he got so drunk, he passed out naked. How did God not see that coming? His son Ham walks in and sees him naked, and so slavery is okay? How do you get from "sees a guy naked" to "your children will forever be slaves?" Granted, that was Noah, but that is not a point in His favor. That just means Noah was evil, and God condoned it. He let Noah live and didn't punish him for that act.

[StutteringDave]

It is the sacrifice of Christ that allows him to be all forgiving. The God of the bible is not one who can allow iniquity to go unpunished.

We are all sinful from birth. If God were to destroy every human being on earth, including children, there is no injustice in it because he would simply be destroying evil.

[smpolymen]

"No, he couldn't have because that would make him unjust."

How so? If he were all-loving and all-forgiving, why couldn't he just forgive? And to speak about unjust, He drowned everyone in the whole world except for Noah and his family, even unborn children. What did they do wrong? What about the firstborn in all of Egypt. He killed them to make a point? How is that just? Also if God defines Justice, and can say anything he does is just, he can do what I said and it would be just.

[StutteringDave]

God did not "split" himself. He has eternally existed in three persons. Jesus was still a part of the trinity before he was incarnated as a human.

"He could just as one entity point His hand from the sky, snap his fingers and say "Hey guys you know that sin thing? We're cool now."

No, he couldn't have because that would make him unjust. This is basic theology. Know something about Christianity if you are going to criticize it.

[smpolymen]

Look at what mathmexican said. Why would God need to split himself just so he could "die" for our sins. He could just as one entity point His hand from the sky, snap his fingers and say "Hey guys you know that sin thing? We're cool now." But no. He has to split himself into a separate entity and subject himself to what, to God, would be less than a stubbed toe. After all that we STILL have to be so afraid of "sin," we have to symbolically feast on Jesus's flesh and blood... FOR THE HELL OF IT.