Sam Shamoun vs. Farhan Qureshi: "Is the Trinity in the Old Testament?"

Did Christians invent the doctrine of the Trinity? Or can this doctrine be found in Scriptures that predate the Christian era? In this debate, Sam Shamoun and Farhan Qureshi bring forth their proof.

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• Sam Shamoun
• Farhan Qureshi
• Trinity

[jasz52]

Even the whole creation is a miracle. Light is a Particle as well as a Wave. How is it possible? Well, when Christians say God is TRIUNE what is the problem with the logic. The creator would be for sure a miraculous being than his creation and stands beyond complete comprehension. What is the big deal God being '' TRIUNE IN UNITY AND UNITED IN TRINITY " AS CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.

[jasz52]

The LOGOS is God. Every Christians believe. God the Father God the Word God the Holy Spirit is one. Jesus when in human form communicated with God the Father addresing him God and Father. He also said any prophet coming after him will be sent by him only for proclaiming his Gospel. God the Father exalts him.

[jasz52]

Jesus is unique. He is the Word of God who shared his glory before all creation. Spirit of God is the one who gave life. God the Father used his Word and Spirit to create everything. Word and Spirit of God shared glory with God the Father. Word and Spirit come forth from God the Father. When in human form Jesus addressed God the Father as Father and God. All Christians accept this. No contradiction here.

[jasz52]

Jesus is the eternal word of God in the sense God created everything through him. See this in Genesis. In Malachi 3 God says He is going to come as Christ. But Christ has to be a man also.Then God has to become a complete man. He did that exactly.

[prototype00000]

@alydamarte

the reason i say christians limit god is as god is all powerful. to say jesus is god is turning god weak as jesus feels pain, hunger, needs rest & will even die. god is not weak in any way so for believers this belief is limiting god

infact jesus prayed to god on his face, god bows to nobody & to say he does is a huge crime of disbelief

as i already mentioned son of god in the OT does not mean a literal biological or actual son as genesis proved there were many sons of gods

[prototype00000]

@alydamarte

by the way jews do not like jesus, they all HATE & loath him. its the muslims who call jesus the messiah & say he is the word of god. messiah means anointed one & christians translate this word as "christ", so we do infact accept him as christ while they reject him. we call him the word of god as god said BE & he was, which is why he has no father.

infact the jews can legally pray in a mosque but not in a church as they look at christians as idolaters

[prototype00000]

@alydamarte

i never meant to portray or make you god, what i am saying is you cannot be in 3 different places nor can you have 3 different minds.

however the trinity is with 3 different intellects to the point where one knows something and the other does not...or one feels pain and the other does not

i do not see how you can argue it is one, you can believe whatever you make yourself but you cannot explain, rationalise or make sense of it

[prototype00000]

@alydamarte

you tell me that as a HUMAN you are 1 in all but 3 in entities

i highlight HUMAN is jesus too is a human being (100% human infact according to christians). this means according to your theory that jesus too would have to be 3 entities.

that is just him alone as a human....add him to a trinity and the trinity is no longer even 3, its a minimum of 5 so it does not work

[alydamarte]

@prototype00000 yes im 1 in all but 3 in entities god is 1 in all but 3 in entities aswell here's the different i dont have a separate intellect that would mean im schizophrenic but god does and Christians (well some) understand that they are 3 separate intellects that can communicate with each other. there are somethings that the father KNOWS that the son doesnt look at it this way the thought is god and the word is jesus. i hope that you think first before you speak...lol get it :)

[alydamarte]

@alydamarte For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this. (Isaiah 9:6-7)