Architecture In Motion - Ornette Coleman

Architecture in Motion - Ornette Coleman work
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• Jazz
• Ornette
• Coleman

[chauntzu]

Brilliant!!! Ornette has had so much crap directed at him from the mainstream jazz community and jazz education community...and yet he remains true to his vision, to the sounds in his head!

What has Wynton created to match this???

[epistrophy68]

Zappa once said that writing about music is like dancing about architecture. Leave it to Ornette to fill that gap!

[cavaleer]

@dzigavertov1 Crouche is a douche. Jazz, like Americans and America, is about creativity but not just being different for the sake of being different. I applaud Coleman's boldness because it's a classic American trait, esp. in Jazz, even though I don't like his work. There is a "pocket" to Jazz based on specific proportion, symmetry and timing just like any other form of art or form of Life. When you reject proportion and symmetry you get non-music or noise. That's the challenge really.

[cavaleer]

@BlacknWhitesAlright Nice point and analogy but the difference between the tree and music is that music, at least most music, is played to connect with the listener. If your audience can't make sense of it, they can't connect to you. The tree doesn't really give a damn. If Ornette played for his ears alone it wouldn't make any difference. However, I respect and applaud his boldness and creativity- two classic American traits, even when taken too far.

[BlacknWhitesAlright]

@cavaleer Ornette Coleman's music is no more without structure than a pile of branches and twigs is without structure. Perhaps you'd rather look at the wood still on the tree, and that's fine, I suppose - but if that wood matter was really structureless, it'd be a goo of some kind, not arranged into twigs and branches.

[dzigavertov1]

One of the most regressive voices in this debate was Jazz critic Stanley Crouch who dissed both Ornette and Miles and promoted Wynton as the keeper of the jazz flame - those who are not aware of this should read his article on Duke Ellington in the New York Times some years ago - for some of us, jazz has always been about innovation and does not belong in a museum, the first step towards entropy and death....

[dzigavertov1]

Who is Wynton Marsalis??? 

[glassbreaker5791]

@chauntzu being a jazz student and thus at least a bit aware of the "jazz education community", i really don't know what you're talking about. every teacher i've ever had loves ornette coleman and considers him among the most seminal figures in jazz history. even classical scholars tend to love ornette - some composers see his innovations as the point where jazz "caught up" with classical in conceptual sophistication. in the 60s, he took shit. now? there aren't many people left criticizing him.

[cavaleer]

I agree with his point about architecture but he misses the point about the various idioms of dance. They, like architecture, stand upon a foundation, a tradition, a grammar and language, or more specifically, STRUCTURE. If you throw away the structure you are left with chaos, the opposite of freedom. What he calls categories are actually traditions and languages. Still love his bold spirit though.

[BINKIE2000]

Ornette bends me straight. 

[MSilberman]

@epistrophy68 I thought Thelonious Monk said that?

[awesomewelles90]

@retsofnalanosaj answer the question and don't lie!