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[a1mint]

@amos033

You're talking about something else than car based on-demand on-board HHO devices to increase fuel economy which can not work.

Clearing up one thing first. It's not energy "stored in H2O". You have to spend energy to split 2(H2O) into 2H2 + O2 (aka HHO).

Realize how much energy is in petrol and propane and natural gas.

It's not easy to create a wind mill that can compete with that. Solar energy is even harder. But, it *can* be done. Denmark gets 1/4 of its electricity from wind...

[a1mint]

@astromaks What you just barfed up is 100% complete and utter nonsense!

Fact is, heat is energy. Every little bit of heat produced in ANY process is due to the energy spent! There is not "bonus" or "extra" energy. You can not create nor destroy energy. Those are the laws of nature, and no one has ever been able to violate those laws because that is that they are: laws of nature.

You're *VERY* green and *VERY* ignorant and have a great deal to learn.

[genadiy24]

Эдисон тоже был не признан и все другие изобретатели нашей эры должно было пройти время для воплощение их мечты -и говорить вот это не правильно или так не работает глупо!!!Edison also was not recognized, and all other inventors of our era it would take time for the embodiment of their dreams and say that's not correct or does not work that stupid!

[terrymorse]

@KyleCarrington Since entropy is a statistical macroscopic quantity, it makes sense that the very small and very short time durations have a higher probability of showing reversibility. Even in a macroscopic system, there is a (very small) probability that heat could flow from a cooler body to a hotter body.

I have no idea how this very small world relates to our real world problem of heating a house.

[a1mint]

@KyleCarrington Nitpicking over how someone research papers are written, is not going change one god damn thing.

The fact remains that people can NOT expect to see any benefits whatsoever from HHO based home heaters or on board on demand HHO systems in cars.

And *THAT* is what this is *ALL* about.

You lying QUACKS sit there and try to muddy science, in the hopes that you make people think that they can tap in to some gooey mystical magical something that can tap from.

NOT GOING TO WORK !

[a1mint]

@KyleCarrington I didn't lose no nothing you conniving lying sack of shit!

I go by what is scientific. You go on belief systems.

You're a complete con artist.

Where's you proof of anything. You don't have any. Exactly as expected.

Loser !

[KyleCarrington]

A Non-Equlibrium Free Energy Thereom For Deterministic Systems

rsc . anu . edu . au /~evans/papers/NEFET . pdf

[KyleCarrington]

The Fluctuation Theorem quantifies the probability of Second Law violations in small systems over small timescales.

rsc . anu . edu . au /~evans/papers/SSFT . pdf

[KyleCarrington]

@terrymorse I quote "The Theorem resolves the paradox of how time-reversible microscopic dynamics leads, to irreversible macroscopic behaviour. It also implies that as devices are made smaller and smaller the probability that they will run thermodynamically in reverse to what one would expect, increases exponentially with decreasing system size and observation time." Any system could easily "absorb" another system's lost heat. It's more than that as I see it. It is Non Equilibrium

[KyleCarrington]

@a1mint once again, you have no scientific backing to what you say, so you lose. Back your words up with proof, I did. I'm supposed to believe you over a peer reviewed physicist. Wiki already has a page up on the defied law. Where's your proof? Where's your science. You don't have any. That's what I thought.

[terrymorse]

@KyleCarrington I believe you have misinterpreted Evans' paper. It does not state that entropy can be consumed, but it does mention entropy can be absorbed by a thermostatting wall (the equivalent of a thermal reservoir). I don't see where Evans has invalidated the Second Law.

[terrymorse]

@KyleCarrington The flame definitely heats up as its surroundings heat up. The hot gases are radiating heat away to the surroundings. When the surroundings heat up, less heat is lost from the flame, and the flame temperature goes up.