NYTimes: Georgia Offers Fresh Evidence on Wars Start presented by Daniel Wicharz

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16.09.08 15:53
NYTimes: ''A new front has opened between Georgia and Russia, now over which side was the aggressor whose military activities early last month ignited the lopsided five-day war. At issue is new intelligence, inconclusive on its own, that nonetheless paints a more complicated picture of the critical last hours before war broke out.
Georgia has released intercepted telephone calls purporting to show that part of a Russian armored regiment crossed into the separatist enclave of South Ossetia nearly a full day before Georgias attack on the capital, Tskhinvali, late on Aug. 7.
Georgia is trying to counter accusations that the long-simmering standoff over South Ossetia, which borders Russia, tilted to war only after it attacked Tskhinvali. Georgia regards the enclave as its sovereign territory.
The intercepts circulated last week among intelligence agencies in the United States and Europe, part of a Georgian government effort to persuade the West and opposition voices at home that Georgia was under invasion and attacked defensively. Georgia argues that as a tiny and vulnerable nation allied with the West, it deserves extensive military and political support.
Georgia also provided audio files of the intercepts along with English translations to The New York Times, which made its own independent translation from the original Ossetian into Russian and then into English.
Russia, already facing deep criticism and the coolest audience in European capitals since the cold war, is arguing vigorously against Georgias claims. Last week, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin expressed bafflement at what he saw as the Wests propensity to believe Georgias version of events.
In an interview arranged by the Kremlin, the Russian military played down the significance of the intercepted conversations, saying troop movements to the enclave before the war erupted were part of the normal rotation and replenishment of longstanding peacekeeping forces there.
But at a minimum, the intercepted calls, which senior American officials have reviewed and described as credible if not conclusive, suggest there were Russian military movements earlier than had previously been acknowledged, whether routine or hostile, into Georgian territory as tensions accelerated toward war.
They also suggest the enduring limits — even with high-tech surveillance of critical battlefield locations — of penetrating the wars thick fogs.
The back and forth over who started the war is already an issue in the American presidential race, with Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican vice presidential candidate, contending that Russias incursion into Georgia was unprovoked, while others argue that Georgias shelling of Tskhinvali was provocation. Georgia claims that its main evidence — two of several calls secretly recorded by its intelligence service on Aug. 7 and 8 — shows that Russian tanks and fighting vehicles were already passing through the Roki Tunnel linking Russia to South Ossetia before dawn on Aug. 7.
By Russian accounts, the war began at 11:30 that night, when President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia ordered an attack on Russian positions in Tskhinvali. Russian combat units crossed the border into South Ossetia only later, Russia has said.
Russia has not disputed the veracity of the phone calls, which were apparently made by Ossetian border guards on a private Georgian cellphone network. Listen, has the armor arrived or what? a supervisor at the South Ossetian border guard headquarters asked a guard at the tunnel with the surname Gassiev, according to a call that Georgia and the cellphone provider said was intercepted at 3:52 a.m. on Aug. 7.
The armor and people, the guard replied. Asked if they had gone through, he said, Yes, 20 minutes ago; when I called you, they had already arrived.
Shota Utiashvili, the director of the intelligence analysis team at Georgias Interior Ministry, said the calls pointed to a Russian incursion. This whole conflict has been overshadowed by the debate over who started this war, he said. These intercepted recordings show that Russia moved first and that we were defending ourselves.
The recordings, however, do not explicitly describe the quantity of armor or indicate that Russian forces were engaged in fighting at that time.''

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[Fahlerfantastica]

now it is prooven. georgia is right and russia guilty

[50GEORGIAN]

@metropolitical wtf are u tolking about??? only reason why russians captured so many georgian soldiers is that we responded to the coll of Sarcozy when he cooled for a ceasefire, during that time russians captured georgians coz we didnt shoot at them. and instead of watching some pro-russian or pro-georgian videos, u should watch the documentarys about the war of 2008.

[50GEORGIAN]

@captainjim86 why dont u go and serch for the documentarys about the 2008 war in georgia, i think those documentarys are done by russians and they all say that russia started the war. some of the documentarys has 5 to 11 parts.

[tzicka82]

NY times. LOL. My God, Georgian wake up, and stick with reallity allready.

[igorvasilevsky]

Everyone know already that Sukashvili is crazy clown) Georgian loosers))

[georgiansoldier1]

metropolitical because from tskhinvali all 1 week was shooting from artilery to georgian villages in this time was destroyd 7 georgian villages by osetian and russian artilery.died manu peacefull people

[captainjim86]

Someone has given me a thumbs down, but has not tried to refute my comment.

[captainjim86]

Oh no. These recordings - if they are the best evidence Saakashvili has - rather than prove Georgia innocent, are the final nail in the coffin Saakashvili's story that Russia started the war.

[GeorgianThug213]

wtf are u talkin???? do u know what there happened. man u dont know shit so shutta fuck up