Evolution: Fact or False?

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[ggcage]

@ponderbot34

Part III

Kepler's idea of God is probably a lot closer than the idea of "an old man in the sky". However, since it's not derived from the Bible, I would be very nervous about accepting it as true. However, out of curiosity let me ask you this: what would you consider to be convincing proof of the Bible, or any particular holy book / religion? What would cause you to convert?

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Part II

Because He is outside of space and time, He does not get inspired and then do something. He knows everything that He will ever know right now and throughout eternity. If God went from not knowing something to knowing something in a given period of time, then that would mean that He is bound by time. If God was bound by time, then He would not be God. He would be god but not God, because God is transcendent of time, space, and the universe we live in.

[ggcage]

@ponderbot34

Part I

"All consciousness need outside reference to be inspired to make something"

That may be true for us, but not for God. God is transcendent. Philosophically speaking, there's not that much difference between Zeus and Superman. Both are morally imperfect beings that are bound by (not all but some of) the laws of physics. God on the other hand is outside the universe, and outside of any limitation.

[ponderbot34]

@ggcage (continuation of my other comment) ...Thus making a single omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent creator mechanically impossible, in reference to science. A "god" needed something beyond himself occurring at the same of his existence prior to the "creation" in order to be inspired to create something, unless he was, and is, a concurrent combustion of anything and everything you could possibly imagine. We rely on outer sources to be driven to make art and things that mimic life.

[ponderbot34]

@ggcage Your right about me observing the effects of you, however, I can make an educated guess as to what kind of person you are that would conform to these effects, being your script. And that can be evaluated using science and math. The one reason that I am most skeptical about a "god", is the following. Many consider human's creativity as an example of "godliness", and evidence for a divine creator. All consciousness need outside reference to be inspired to make something.

[ponderbot34]

@ggcage In my opinion, the one person that had the most believable model for a "god" figure was Johannes Kepler. He proposed that God is a simultaneous collection of all possible geometric figures and mathematical algorithms. Hence the golden ratio encompassing the proportions of everything in nature, although not everything is perfectly in proportion to that sequence. The way you are explaining "god" to me is very much similar to Kepler's God Model.

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@ponderbot34

Part IV

An eternal mind is necessary for the existence of our highly ordered universe, and the Transcendental Argument explains why. Another effect from God that we can observe is the Bible, which is loaded with prophecy. There are a couple of links in the description that show hundreds of true prophecies. Those videos I gave you earlier show the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, which was a very profound miracle, and demonstrates the existence of the Christian God

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@ponderbot34

Part II

There are some things that are beyond empirical observation. It's not far out to think that there is a God that is outside of empirical observation. In fact, the Transcendental Argument necessitates it.

[ggcage]

@ponderbot34

Part I

My point was that science isn't everything. The laws of mathematics are not governed by physics. Rather, the laws of physics are governed by mathematics. The laws themselves are not physical entities, and are not governed by science. Rather science is governed by them. You cannot observe these laws. You can observe their effects, but the laws themselves are beyond empirical observation.

[ponderbot34]

@ponderbot34 I can analyze small bits of information about your personality by witnessing your messages. I don't have to see, hear, smell, etc... you in order to observe you and confirm your existence. No one that I have witnessed nor during my previous faith in "God" have I witnessed any linguistic or at least codified communication.