Re: Refuting the UPC Jesus Only Oneness "Apostolic" Salvation Heresy

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[JTTNMinistries]

There is no confusion. The Bible is clear that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Cornelius was saved before baptism.

The Philippian jailer was told "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved"

Paul did not repeat Acts 2:38.

[k1n2f3]

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. After the jailer believed he and his family were baptized!!

[bobbo345]

same simple logic in dealing with scripture. Just because every single step of salvation isn't painstakingly documented does not necessarily mean that these steps were not followed out. If these steps were not followed, then those who didn't speak with other tongues and be baptized were in direct disagreement to their previous statements of belief in acts 2. Remember all twelve apostles were present and in agreement in 2:37-39.

[bobbo345]

JTTN

no one ever repeated matthew 28:19. not once will you ever ind baptizm in the titles in the bible. never.

but all throughout acts and the letters you will find overwelming evidence that more we needed that a few words of repentence.

Grace is not the method of salvation,

grace is the reason why the method of salvation is in exisance.

There are litterally millions of tongue talking christians living right now, and when they pray they say a lot more than some mindless chant of a prayer.

[bobbo345]

JTTN

we deserved his judgment, but because of his grace or "unmerited favor", he sent his son. if we were saved by grace alone then why send Jesus?

If your trinity was in existence before Mary's pregnancy, then were was his grace from that time and back?

why not just have grace back in the garden? if you suppose that's how were saved...?

surely Adam and Eve of ANYBODY would have had the faith. no my friend, there is much more to this thing. Its called acts 2:38

[JTTNMinistries]

Who said anything about the Trinity? Don't assume that because I reject the water regeneration doctrine that I do not believe Baptism is essential as a command or that I believe in the Trinity doctrine.

[bobbo345]

my apologies, usually doctrines come giftwrapped in sets.

If you believe that water baptism is an essential quality of salvation but reject water regeneration, then what do you suppose is its purpose?

God always used water to seperate man from his sins. look to Noah and the Ark for the smallest example.

[111989DOH]

@JTTNMinistries Paul only told the jailer that because he was fixing to put his sword through his heart, read later on when Paul goes to his house and continues to explain to him. Paul did not have time to explain Acts 2, it was a moment when he need to provide a quick solution before the jailer killed himself, then after Paul told he he could be saved he continued to explain at the jailers house.

[111989DOH]

Its not really a Jesus only doctrine, Its more of Jesus everything.

[FitnessMinded]

As far as anything done in christianity regardless of denomination, everything must go through the name (authority, reputation, character, etc) of Jesus as evidenced in John 10 .

I believe that earthly Jesus said Matt 28:19 because of (John 5:41) (John 7:18) (John 8:50; 8:54)

But Christ would later give instructions on what to do when He would no longer be with the disciples (John 16:23) Which would be to do all things in His name..

So what denomination is right? That is the question..

[FitnessMinded]

To me, the whole denominational beliefs depend on if 1 Cor. 15:24-28 has occurred yet. If it has, then there is no distinction in the Godhead. I have heard a theologian state that this occurred at the cross. But then, if 1 Cor. 15:28 has not occurred yet, there is still a distinction in office of the Son and the Father, but they are still ONE. I personally don't feel it has happened yet

John 14:20

"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."

[111989DOH]

Its not really a "Jesus only" theology, its more like Jesus everything. The UPC doesn't deny the Father, the Son, or the Holy spirit, It believes that Jesus is all of those things. See now? Jesus everything.

[wordprophet]

Well said.

[wordprophet]

@JTTNMinistries

The "we" that you refer to in Eph. 2:8,9 is the church at Ephesus. If you would like to know how they got saved by God's grace, read Acts 19:1-7 please.

Also, the conversation you mentioned in Acts 16:31 begins at that verse, and goes on to give the account of how Paul preached Jesus Christ to them and they got saved (verses 32-34).

Please search the scriptures, and believe the word of God as it is written.