Refuting TheIslammiracle

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[JibreelK]

OPEN CHALLENGE TO THE ISLAMIRACLE CHANNEL. IF THE OWNER OF THAT CHANNEL OR WHOEVER POSTS UP THERE HAS THE GUTS TO DEFEND HIS STATEMENTS AND VIDEOS LET HIM STEP FORWARD. HERE IS MY MESSAGE: YOU ARE A LIAR SIR AND YOU KNOW IT, OR YOU ARE IGNORANT AND YOU DON'T KNOW IT.

please pass this message on to them. BY THE WAY NO EX QURAN ARABIC TEACHER CAN DEBUNK THE BEE MIRACLE... TELL HIM TO STEP FORWARD

[captaindisguise]

This video is lame, perhaps it should have been made when you were less angry

The video debunks itself, when it says that the word is feminine and therefore it uses feminine verbs. Check this video as an arabic speaker/teacher explains it. watch?v=Tpu4UkT-Rl8 or "Qur'an's Miracle of the Female Honey Bees"

With your logic, 16.79 would read only female birds are held up by allah, 30.2 would say Female romans were defeated, 16.66 would say MALE COWS PRODUCE MILK. Unfortunately your logic is wrong

[JibreelK]

@captaindisguise

My friend do you study Arabic? I challenge you to debate your position. You have missed the point, as you do not know what you are talking about. The examples you are giving unfortunately are wrong and you are missing the whole point, and for that matter forget about logic. Go look in suratul Naml and you will know what I'm talking about. I am very short on time these days but I will make some responses soon, and if you or your channel friends want THE DEBATE IS OPEN.

[newjourney7]

You're right he missed the point about the verb, though another atheist, ex-Quranic Arabic teacher's video seems to debunk that aspect of the miracle claim watch?v=Tpu4UkT-Rl8

[JibreelK]

@newjourney7

Sorry can you put a proper link as I can't go to it... we'll see after

[MatrixOfDynamism]

@01242692723 as far as I know Imam Ghazali has dealt quite directly with this whole problem of Greek Philosophy.

[kanjarify1111]

Everything in Islam is a lie. Islam was not intended to be a complete new religion with its own prophet but instead a continuation of Christianity. See "The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran"

The name Allah is of a hindu moon god/goddess Allah/Allat, thousands of years before Islam was invented. More over the kaaba was originally a Hindu temple/pilgrimage until it was hijacked by muhammad and his mates.

Finally, there is ZERO evidence of muhammads existence during the years he was "alive".

[HummadJ]

@MatrixOfDynamism seeing as i am muslim i know most of the basics of islam. this is the stuff that im trying to answer, "what proves islam is right"

[MatrixOfDynamism]

@HummadJ Imam Ghazali is one of the most influential personalities of the Islamic History. He has made very powerful contributions to the Muslim world that are having influence even now. Before you may read about him though I advice you to study about the basics of Islam which is more important. My recommendation is a website

thedeenshow . com

[HummadJ]

@MatrixOfDynamism who is imam ghazali?

[penkallli]

@1RothMan

The verse 16:69 doesnt not have a noun or pronoun for the bee ! we know it taks about the bee from the previous verse !

If we take only 16:69 we see its talking about female gender 2 verbs in female and 2 pronouns in female without mentioning the noun bee or pronoun for the noun

-The nonmuslim claim is that the prophet chose feminine because its feminine only and this is a lie, its masculine and feminine, the quran chose to use feminine

[1RothMan]

if you dont know the actual gender of the bees, or they are of mixed gender, the verbs still have to have a grammatic gender, because that is simply how Arabic works.

You HAVE TO pick a grammatic gender, and the way you do this is by following the grammatic gender of the noun, which you have already admitted was arbitrarily feminine.

Neither grammatic gender of nouns, nor verbs necessarily follows the natural gender

[comslave]

So you're having an arguement about bee gender. Bee gender. really.