Climate Camp 2008: George Monbiot's View

Environmentalist George Monbiot gives his views on Climate Camp 2008

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[pcoldham]

So now you do admit there is consensus. Fine. Well, seeing as you don't back up any of your claims with any reference to real data, which the onus is certainly on you to do since almost every climate scientist in the world says the opposite is happening, I'll let the readers judge for themselves whether what you've said is likely to be true.

[david222444]

@pcoldham Do you not find that odd? Science is not about dissent from concensus, it is about theory and proof of the theory. Concensus is a mere challenge. Meanwhile back in the present reality ,our Planet cools abruptly. I will not engage you in an et al game of tennis thanks, go look for yourself and anyone else reading this just go look at the present not past data. Yet another severe winter is about to hit the Northern Hemisphere.

[pcoldham]

@david222444 Once again, you make all these assertions without any references. No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained dissent from climate change.

[david222444]

@pcoldham There is no overwhelming concensus and even if there were a concensus only politicians would bother not scientists, to a scientist a concensus is a mere challenge. Every level of the atmosphere is cooling, the Pacific is cooling, the Sun is becoming less active,the Gulf stream is weakening,volcanic and techtonic activity has increased six fold on last year. You must keep up and stop dwelling on the past.

[pcoldham]

@david222444 Despite what you say, the planet is not by any means cooling -- global temperatures demonstrably continue to rise year on year. Where have you got this data? And what explanation do you have for the overwhelming consensus of climate scientists around the world that man-made global warming is real?

[david222444]

@pcoldham Do you have any sense of perspective? Co2 makes up only 0.038% of our atmosphere and humanity only contibutes 4% of 0.038%. Now understand that we are a carbon based life form and that carbon is essential to all life on our Planet. The Planet is now cooling abruptly and deeply as the Pacific cools and the Gulf stream weakens due to the onset of a new Grand Solar Minimum. Under these circumstances atmospheric co2 enrichment wouls be prudent.

[pcoldham]

@david222444 Yes, david 222444, that's true, but what matters is the sheer quantity we have been burning since the Industrial Revolution, and Industrialisation is now clearly the greatest threat to our ecosystem. The US Geological Survey reports that we produce 130 times as much carbon as volcanoes do. Our emissions are spiralling out of control, and are set very soon to push the planet into a feedback warming cycle which will cause desertification and probable famine and strife for millions.

[david222444]

Are you lot against burning ? Do you not know that your body burnings carbon constantly everday to live? We have been burning fossil fuels since the industrial revolution just over 150 years producing co2. Volcanoes have been producing co2 for 100s of millenium.

[youandifilms]

@ray25620 Whats colour got to do with it? I know of dozens of ethnic groups that are active and petition.... oh shit guess what? I'm brown!

[ray25620]

Why do you only ever see white people at these sorts of events? Because only white people care about these issues. It's the same with human rights, women's rights, child labour, sex slavery, save the whales, save the coral reef, gay rights, etc etc etc, only white people give a shit. And when the Leftards get their wish and whites are powerless minorities in every country in the world then all these causes will go to hell.