Am I Saved? : Ancient Eastern Christianities Fr. Thomas Hopko speaks on Salvation#.1/2

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[uncleoscar7]

Miriam danced a real dance and beat on a real cymbal and Gabriel has the most real trumpet of all. good grief! How far will you be willing to twist Scripture to try to make them not mean what they mean and not say what they say?

[mishakol129]

@uncleoscar7 I don't understand, when did Miriam and Gabriel do this?... I am not twisting the Scriptures; we are the one's who are twisted by sin and we need the Holy Church to help us understand them. For you to take the stance that you hold is nothing less than for you to affirm yourself as an infallible teacher - like the Pope of Rome. You must come down from your high throne and come to the lowly and holy Church of Christ - the ancient and original Church of Sacred Tradition.

[uncleoscar7]

praise ye the Lord praise Him with the sound of the trumpet praise Him with the psaltery and harp praise Him with the timbrel and the dance praise Him with stringed instruments and organs praise Him upon the loud cymbals Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord Psalm 150  do your sacred rituals include worshipping according to these commands?

[mishakol129]

@uncleoscar7 Your must understand that Psalm 150 must not be interpreted literally but in a spiritual sense. When it says "trumpet", it does not mean an actual physical trumpet - it means the kind of trumpet that St Paul said would sound when He comes back. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" (1 Thessalonians 4:16). The Bible is the Word of God and we are only humans.

[uncleoscar7]

1 Timothy 2:5 there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus . the church is a gathering of those who have met the Mediator. Yes you can, and MUST obey Jesus' words directly. then YOU become a PART of the CHURCH. the church is made up of REDEEMED ONES. The church is not the REDEEMER. Christ is the REDEEMER, and He does it all by Himself, without the the church being between Himself and the REDEEMED SOUL

[mishakol129]

@uncleoscar7 You're only speaking from your own understand and knowledge; how could you possibly know what the truth of the matter is? There are over 270 million people across the globe who will tell you that you are wrong and that there IS a physical Church and Ancient Tradition which has been handed down to us Christians from the 1st century AD.

If you don't want to open your mind to this amazing fact, then you are conceited and will never understand that Truth...

The bears Divine Grace.

[MikeJordanGroupie]

I love the preaching style of this father, but he's a crypto-Nestorian, if not openly. He quotes St. Cyril in an apologetic response to Nestorus, but he confidently states that our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ is 'ignorant in His Humanity'! Imagine! He says that the Lord Jesus Christ is not OMNISCIENT! This is heresy and the worse kind, because he is well respected amongst many. He stresses the Lord Jesus' humanity to the point that the Lord's divinity 'dims' and this is the great danger!

[dimic]

@uncleoscar7: Yes, and only by partaking in the body of Christ, that being the Eucharist, can you be redeemed. The question now is which Body of Christ do you subscribe to? The invisible body, created by men in the 16th century, or the visible body, begotten of Jesus Christ in Pentecost?

[uncleoscar7]

1 John 5:11,12 This is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He that hath the Son hath life, he that hath not the Son of God hath not life

[uncleoscar7]

Matthew 18:20 Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I Am in the midst of them

[mishakol129]

@uncleoscar7 As the Orthodox Church, we can believe that Jesus can work outside of the Church, but in order for you to come and worship Him and have real communion with Him, you must join His Church which He has established by His Divine Providence... We believe that Jesus is the Savior in all things and we believe %100 in the Holy Scriptures. The rituals of Sacred Tradition and the Church Sacraments bring us into the most powerful communion with God that is possible or imaginable.