Sam Harris Religion is a failed science

Sam Harris answers What is religion?

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[SeedsOfHatred]

@Imperativism *Sigh* I swear to god you people are more dense than a black fucking hole.

Just nevermind.

[SeedsOfHatred]

@Imperativism You have to be trolling.

As I stated, your God allows Hell to exist. He allows people to go there as a - in his twisted view of morality - "just punishment" for sin. They can choose to be sent to Hell all they want, but your God is ultimately the one who governs all things, correct? If that is the case, then he sends people to Hell. Unless you are suggesting that he governs all things, except where one goes when they die.

That is logic plain and simple.

[Imperativism]

@SeedsOfHatred There's a difference between rhetoric and logic; rhetoric is emotionally persuasive speech. Logic is the discipline of proper reasoning through language. You can have elegantly fluent rhetorical arguments that strike an emotional chord, like Harris' did in his debate against William Lane Craig, but lose the argument because they fail to address the facts, like Harris lost against Craig. Likewise, so is the case here: your point substitutes logic with the rhetorical.

[SeedsOfHatred]

@SeedsOfHatred Quantum*

I'm drunk xD

[SeedsOfHatred]

@Imperativism "Wuantum Physics" - or what most of us like to call "What-If"-Science.

In any case, I'm not sure what this has to do with your God sending people to Hell. I spoke about Him sending people. Not the choices that they made that got them the one-way ticket.

I do not lose, because you did not argue my point. You tip-toed around it.

[Imperativism]

@SeedsOfHatred Quantum physics proves conclusively that the universe is not deterministic but statistical with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Chaos theory proves that initial conditions of Einstienian systems are sensitive to random flucations in the quantum vacuum so that 100% perfect prediction is impossible. Most importantly, psychophysics now conclusively demonstrates that free will not only exists, but in fact relies on quantum gravity in its processes through Orch-OR.

You lose.

[SeedsOfHatred]

@Imperativism God created the Hell. God promised the outcome of those who disobey him. God allows Hell to exist. God sees it as a fit punishment for a lifetime of pety crimes.

Your God sends people to Hell; regardless of how much you want to twist the words around to make him look innocent.

He is not.

[SeedsOfHatred]

@Dawkins007 This is true. In fact, that's often the only thing that keeps me debating with certain people - even after I know that there is no chance in hell that they'll be swayed.

[Dawkins007]

@SeedsOfHatred Yep you're probably right. But it may be that some fair minded wavering believer reads the comment and it helps convince them to abandon their attachment to bronze age superstitions!

[SeedsOfHatred]

@Dawkins007 I would honestly just give it up with this one. He's beyond reason. It's a shitty prospect, but sometimes we just have to let these creatures exist. Even if it infuriates us to do so.

They're simply too far-gone to be changed.