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@storicus Good! This is the way it should be! If the people of Russia wish for the monarchy to return, whether it be constitutional or historical (or both), they will make this decision for themselves. No association or relative of the Romanov family will make that decision.
1toscany 3 months ago
@1toscany everybody know very well that in matter of laws all is interpretable. And in such a question only "one tsar" wold be able to solve the question. Frankly , I am neither for or against M Vladimirovna, neither for an other, I am not even russian. On the other hand I have read the rusian laws of succetion, and it is a tricky problem. Whatever I think the first thing is to stablish the monarchy on one Romanov, then, he or she will find a legalsolution from the top of the imperial position.
storicus 3 months ago
@ABritt06 It matters not what people are against. It is within the laws o Paul I. There are many things I do not like, however still have to live with them. I am a Imperial Russian historian, work for a Russian Princess, and have done so 20 years. About as long as you are old. The RFA said nothing to Cyril, for it was not even in existence. You speak of his grand daughter. a completely different issue. I do not agree with her claim. Now read the book I suggested.
1toscany 3 months ago
@ABritt06 It is truth but, on the other hand the majority of the Russian nobility and the orthodox church defend the claims of GD Vladimir and his descenence. Maria Vladimirovna is recognised such a head of her family by many royal houses. Without going further, this week she was in the celebrations of former king of Romania and she is always invited in the official activities of the royal houses of Spain, Prussia, Danemark, so on...But rarelly the others Romanov can receive such a honour.
storicus 3 months ago
@1toscany I've read succession rules as for RFA members are totally against their claims.
ABritt06 3 months ago
@ABritt06 No! There were no other senior members. Cyril's father was the third son of Tsar Alexander II. Tsar Alexander II finally agreed to let Vladimir marry her without insisting on her conversion to Orthodoxy. Upon her marriage she took the Russian name of Maria Pavlovna of Russia It did not matter at all what the Dowager Empress thought or suggested. Cyril was a dynast, Plan and simple. For your reference, review the Line of Succession. If not Cyril, then Boris.
1toscany 3 months ago
@1toscany No, other members of the Imperial Family more so senior members such at the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna never recognized Cyril's claim. It is also known that the tsar and his private police/secretary have an act stating that no member of the imperial family that was born to a non-orthodox mother can inherit the imperial throne. Cyril's mother at the time of her wedding and her children's birth WAS NOT orthodox therefore her children cannot inherit the throne.
ABritt06 3 months ago
@ABritt06 No. "Grand Duke" titles are given to the first line of hereditary, that being his father, Grand Duke Kyril Vladimirovich, and grand father, Grand Duke Vlaimir Alexandrovich. It is the noted rank above prince, which identifies hereditary title in Imperial Russia. Of course his family fled Russia, August 1917, and there was no Tsar. Vladimir's father was 3rd in line to succeed, he proclaimed himself titular head, which made Vlad Tsarevich. Kyrill was recognized by heredity.
1toscany 3 months ago
@1toscany He was born a Prince. At the time of his birth Nicholas II was already abdicated for himself and Alexei and gave the crown to his brother Michael. Michael was the Tsar for a short time he may have been third in the line of succession but he was not a Grand Duke...the title was designated for the son/grandson of an Emperor in which Vladimir was not. His father was never officially recognized as a tsar-in-exile by senior members of the Imperial family and had no right claiming it.
ABritt06 3 months ago
@ABritt06 He was a Grand Duke, and third in line of succession to the throne of Russia.
1toscany 3 months ago