Myth : The days of dog fighting is over

Edited to show the claims that dog fighting is over is not new and probably wrong again.

Many say the days of dog fighting are over. It is an eco of what I have heard before. I disagree on 2 points. What they are calling a dogfight is what I would call a fur ball of a dogfight. Dog fighting is dog fighting regardless of the range. The fur ball is close in like when a dog can nip at another. To me the dogfight can start 100 or more miles away. To me a fur ball is in gun range.

I think the fur ball will be here for decades. To me the only thing in the near future that might change the fir ball much is when and if they start putting lasers on fighters as guns. There still will likely be fir ball dogfights, but the need to point the plane directly at a target to shoot will likely be reduced. There also is no effective lag time between the time a laser fires and hits, so there will be no bullet drop. Even then I think there still will be fur balls.

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[437thx1138]

Don't you think that we will go unmanned in the near future though? Dogfighting will continue but AI not limited by a human body G limit will eventually take over. Don't like it but will happen pretty soon I think.

[ATFSCrash]

437thx1138: I dont doubt that more fighting will be done with UAVs; I just doubt and challenge any "wisdom" that claims that ALL of our aircraft should be UAVs. I think a significant portion of our force should remain piloted by humans. AI is not currently (nor in the near future) as flexible and able to wisely adapt to unforeseen circumstances (things it is not program for), and is more vulnerable to jamming, hacking, and EMP.

[soccerboy274613]

Dogfights are over ! just million dollar aircraft getting blown out of the sky with 5000 dollar missle .... its technology.

[ATFSCrash]

Soccerboy274613: Thanks for demonstrating that there are still people that are too dumb to learn from history.

Who says that missiles cant be spoofed by countermeasures? Who says that an aircraft armed with a laser couldnt shoot down million-dollar missiles? Its possible that in a decade or two from now that fighters will be armed with lasers that can kill missiles ( not just jam) and aircraft.

Missiles are heavy, slow, expensive and poorly maneuverable compared to lasers.

[warwolfii]

General Blesse was not only an outstanding pilot, he had a great deal to do with writing "the book" on modern fighter tactics. When I was in the Air Force in the mid 60s, our hero was Col. Robin Olds, the rather large chap who speaks from the cockpit of the jet in this video. When told that the new motto of the Strategic Air Command was "Peace is our profession," Col. Olds tersely replied, "It's not MY profession!" There was a fighter jock!

[linkxsc]

i love that, in top gun, we learn WW1 tactics used to fight using a propeller driven plane. And we're gonna study how to use those on an F-14 or now an F-18E/F

dog fighting will never be over, basically its a constant race to make better missiles, better anti missile systems, and how to beat missiles often comes down to getting up close and getting behind them, which takes dogfighting skills

[nelsonmars]

Point well taken.

[ATFSCrash]

nelsonmars: As odd as it sounds; there could be some truth to what he says. In most ways I would think in comparison to the US and Iran's Air Force would be relatively small, primitive and in disrepair. However a word of caution; be careful not to underestimate a potential adversary; underestimating an adversary often makes them more dangerous. Learn from Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc... A potential adversary will sometimes feign weakness; to lull an opponent to become overconfident, complacentandweak

[nelsonmars]

Iran has a formidable Air Force? Better recheck your sources.

[john33STEW]

it is

[ClancD]

Yeah, the American roundel kinda gives it away...

[lsnows]

I thought it was an F-102.